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CrownnGlori
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Karonica - I was trying to figure that out myself. For the life of me if you don't over lap I don't see what the benefit of extending relaxers 4 and 5 months is. Personal choice was the best answer I heard.
AFashionSlave
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pookeylou said:
I only comb my hair when it's wet...
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Me too. I only comb when wet.
pookeylou said:
I only comb my hair when it's wet...
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Me too. I only comb when wet.
That's true. I was trying to transition back to my natural hair, but it's hurting so bad when I comb it, I don't think it's worth it.
Friday, I go to the salon, and I'm going to ask her what she think I should do, stay natural or start back perming, because I am really split between the decision. I think I can trust her on that question without her telling me, "Chile, you need to get a perm and call it quits!"
But, I'm afraid she's gonna cuss me out when she sees all the nappy hair underneath my permed hair.
But, I'm afraid she's gonna cuss me out when she sees all the nappy hair underneath my permed hair.
sassygirl125
Professional PJ
I don't go anywhere near my hair with a comb unless it's wet.
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CrownnGlori said:
For the life of me if you don't over lap I don't see what the benefit of extending relaxers 4 and 5 months is.
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It's not five months, but...
I have been thumbing through the book Brown Skin by dermatologist Susan C Taylor. She recommends relaxing 4x-5x per year at the most. She says "the fewer chemical processes you subject your hair to each year, the less damage it will sustain."
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CrownnGlori said:
For the life of me if you don't over lap I don't see what the benefit of extending relaxers 4 and 5 months is.
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It's not five months, but...
I have been thumbing through the book Brown Skin by dermatologist Susan C Taylor. She recommends relaxing 4x-5x per year at the most. She says "the fewer chemical processes you subject your hair to each year, the less damage it will sustain."
Tracy
New Member
Even if you don't overlap your other hair comes into contact with the chemicals....the more often you use one, themore often there is contact. The more often there is contact, the weaker the hair can potentially become.
Additionally, for those of us whose hair does not grow at lightening speed, delaying relaxers helps to ENSURE that we don't overlap....
Overlapping is an extremely common thing and even if you THINK you aren't, many times you (or your stylist) are doing it without meaning to. Making sure there's 1.5 to 2 inches or more of new growth makes it that much easier to be sure that you only relax new growth....
Additionally, for those of us whose hair does not grow at lightening speed, delaying relaxers helps to ENSURE that we don't overlap....
Overlapping is an extremely common thing and even if you THINK you aren't, many times you (or your stylist) are doing it without meaning to. Making sure there's 1.5 to 2 inches or more of new growth makes it that much easier to be sure that you only relax new growth....
CrownnGlori
New Member
Don't you like that book! Good stuff. She works here in Philly I might go on a waiting list to see her. I have been trying to extend to prevent overlapping but 10 weeks is top. If I don't keep it open it tangles and breaks. Plenty of washing and oiling it the only way to endure for me.
CrownnGlori
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Even if you don't overlap your other hair comes into contact with the chemicals....
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My stylist and I have agreed that overlapping means chemicals only touch the new growth and thats it. Hence no overlapping. I do undserstand why some want to extend though. But for me, Its a Jungle in there.
Tracy said:
Even if you don't overlap your other hair comes into contact with the chemicals....
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My stylist and I have agreed that overlapping means chemicals only touch the new growth and thats it. Hence no overlapping. I do undserstand why some want to extend though. But for me, Its a Jungle in there.
AngieK
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CrownnGlori said:
For the life of me if you don't over lap I don't see what the benefit of extending relaxers 4 and 5 months is.
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It's not five months, but...
I have been thumbing through the book Brown Skin by dermatologist Susan C Taylor. She recommends relaxing 4x-5x per year at the most. She says "the fewer chemical processes you subject your hair to each year, the less damage it will sustain."
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<font color="brown">The above is my reasoning behind attempting to stretch out my relaxers. I currently go about 10 weeks. My goal, however, is to go about 12 weeks - which would put me at 4 - 5 relaxers per year. I guess you could say that scalp health is also a concern of mine because scalp health and healthy hair go hand in hand (in my opinion).
With that in mind though, I do NOT go beyond the point of breakage. I will relax at any point beyond 8 weeks if my hair seems to be breaking due to new growth. Lately, I have been comfortable with relaxing at 10 weeks. After the 10 week point, I will take it week to week depending on the condition of my new growth.
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CrownnGlori said:
For the life of me if you don't over lap I don't see what the benefit of extending relaxers 4 and 5 months is.
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It's not five months, but...
I have been thumbing through the book Brown Skin by dermatologist Susan C Taylor. She recommends relaxing 4x-5x per year at the most. She says "the fewer chemical processes you subject your hair to each year, the less damage it will sustain."
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<font color="brown">The above is my reasoning behind attempting to stretch out my relaxers. I currently go about 10 weeks. My goal, however, is to go about 12 weeks - which would put me at 4 - 5 relaxers per year. I guess you could say that scalp health is also a concern of mine because scalp health and healthy hair go hand in hand (in my opinion).
With that in mind though, I do NOT go beyond the point of breakage. I will relax at any point beyond 8 weeks if my hair seems to be breaking due to new growth. Lately, I have been comfortable with relaxing at 10 weeks. After the 10 week point, I will take it week to week depending on the condition of my new growth.
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sassygirl125
Professional PJ
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Don't you like that book! Good stuff. She works here in Philly I might go on a waiting list to see her.
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Lucky! It is a really good book. I haven't sat down and read it from cover to cover (I flipped right to the hair chapter!
), but she really seems to know her stuff.
She refers to an "overnight hair reconstruction oil" on page 261. Is there a recipe somewhere in the book or do you have to be a patient of hers to get it?
Don't you like that book! Good stuff. She works here in Philly I might go on a waiting list to see her.
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Lucky! It is a really good book. I haven't sat down and read it from cover to cover (I flipped right to the hair chapter!
Tracy
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Tracy said:
Even if you don't overlap your other hair comes into contact with the chemicals....
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My stylist and I have agreed that overlapping means chemicals only touch the new growth and thats it. Hence no overlapping. I do undserstand why some want to extend though. But for me, Its a Jungle in there.
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To clarify: I wasn't saying that the chemicals coming into contact with the hair generally (on the rinse out etc.) WAS overlapping - I was suggesting that this is way another way that the hair comes into contact with chemicals, in addition to overlapping. For people's whose hair is sensitive to that - evenh that minimal contact might matter.
I also said later on in the post that overlapping is nearly impossible to do - I have never seen any stylist apply relaxer with exact precision to one and a half inches of hair at the scalp. This, to me, is the stronger argument for delaying relaxers because the fact is - the more new growth you have to work with, the less overlapping will occur if you assume the stylist will naturally take the relaxer to generally the same "point" on the strand irrespective of where the new growth actually stops....
Most take the relaxer roughly 3 inches up the strand - wherever the new growth ends...unless it clearly ends at say, 4 inches because you've waited a very long time. If you wait 12 weeks and you have 2.5 inches of growth, then it stands to reason that taking the hair that same three inches they are going to process ANYWAY during the touch up (whether they mean to or not) will mean you are getting 2.5 inches of new growth relaxed, and a half inch of hair RE-relaxed. If one only waits a month and a half, and that would have yeilded an inch and a half of growth - well the same math applies.
Now - like you, CrownnGlori - I personally don't wait more than 8-10 weeks to get my relaxer because I personally find I get more breakage that way. But many people fare far better when they wait and the above is my theory on why.
You may have one of the few stylists who don't (and a lucky lady you are!
)...but you are fortunate. Most women are routinely having their relaxers overlapped to some extent - and some are more senstive to that than others - hence the extended touch up theory.
Incidentally - I never discuss the subject of overlapping with hairdressers. Why? They simply do not have the lack of self interest to allow them to be able to say - "it is near impossible to not overlap"...but it fact - it IS near impossible.
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Tracy said:
Even if you don't overlap your other hair comes into contact with the chemicals....
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My stylist and I have agreed that overlapping means chemicals only touch the new growth and thats it. Hence no overlapping. I do undserstand why some want to extend though. But for me, Its a Jungle in there.
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To clarify: I wasn't saying that the chemicals coming into contact with the hair generally (on the rinse out etc.) WAS overlapping - I was suggesting that this is way another way that the hair comes into contact with chemicals, in addition to overlapping. For people's whose hair is sensitive to that - evenh that minimal contact might matter.
I also said later on in the post that overlapping is nearly impossible to do - I have never seen any stylist apply relaxer with exact precision to one and a half inches of hair at the scalp. This, to me, is the stronger argument for delaying relaxers because the fact is - the more new growth you have to work with, the less overlapping will occur if you assume the stylist will naturally take the relaxer to generally the same "point" on the strand irrespective of where the new growth actually stops....
Most take the relaxer roughly 3 inches up the strand - wherever the new growth ends...unless it clearly ends at say, 4 inches because you've waited a very long time. If you wait 12 weeks and you have 2.5 inches of growth, then it stands to reason that taking the hair that same three inches they are going to process ANYWAY during the touch up (whether they mean to or not) will mean you are getting 2.5 inches of new growth relaxed, and a half inch of hair RE-relaxed. If one only waits a month and a half, and that would have yeilded an inch and a half of growth - well the same math applies.
Now - like you, CrownnGlori - I personally don't wait more than 8-10 weeks to get my relaxer because I personally find I get more breakage that way. But many people fare far better when they wait and the above is my theory on why.
You may have one of the few stylists who don't (and a lucky lady you are!
Incidentally - I never discuss the subject of overlapping with hairdressers. Why? They simply do not have the lack of self interest to allow them to be able to say - "it is near impossible to not overlap"...but it fact - it IS near impossible.
CrownnGlori
New Member
Sassygirl - I don't know. Did the same thing you did. Lol. That will be my research project.
Tracy - Its a shame we know more about haircare then alot of stylist. I actually watched someone's hair grow for a year before I checked out her stylist. Watched how she trimmed. Everything. I still only go for relaxers mainly though. I don't want to be goaded into coming in sooner then I'm ready. We have to strategically plan for these locks! Whew!
Tracy - Its a shame we know more about haircare then alot of stylist. I actually watched someone's hair grow for a year before I checked out her stylist. Watched how she trimmed. Everything. I still only go for relaxers mainly though. I don't want to be goaded into coming in sooner then I'm ready. We have to strategically plan for these locks! Whew!
I hear ya on the WGO I can't stand the smell of it either especially when in the sun but after 6 months of new growth -- 5 inches it was the only thing that helped me out that week. I happen to like the smell of mango butter myself, that I use daily. Maybe you can give castor oil a try it makes my new growth soft also.
CrownnGlori
New Member
Have you ever tried Vitale Essential oils. It has Sesame, Kukui Nut, Mink, Jojoba. Lots. Its not sweet smelling but not WGO either. In fact I use it to cover WGO.
Just an FYI. They do have several products on the market that you apply to previously relaxed hair before applying a chemical to bring overprocessing down to the minimal.
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Just an FYI. They do have several products on the market that you apply to previously relaxed hair before applying a chemical to bring overprocessing down to the minimal.
sassygirl125
Professional PJ
Have you ever tried ApHogee EFA Oil Concentrate ? I met a woman in the bss who said she replaced WGO with this stuff. She liked the way wgo kept her hair moist, but the smell wasn't worth it for her. This one is cheaper, too.
Ingredients: Soybean oil (linoleic acid, oleic acid, palmitic acid, linolenic acid, stearic acid), lecithin, sesame oil, corn oil, benzoic acid, propylparaben.
Ingredients: Soybean oil (linoleic acid, oleic acid, palmitic acid, linolenic acid, stearic acid), lecithin, sesame oil, corn oil, benzoic acid, propylparaben.
sassygirl125
Professional PJ
Chiiiiiiile...
I couldn't do a decent wet set when my hair was relaxed!
I bought some magnetic rollers a while ago (I had been using the mesh ones) and I plan to give it a shot one day. I'm going to use the technique skegeemsb discussed in the "Wowsers I did a roller set" thread.
I couldn't do a decent wet set when my hair was relaxed!
Okie dokie.
As of now, I'm not going to get a touch-up. *crossing fingers*
That decision will probably change in about 10 minutes though...or when I go home and try to comb my hair. My hair is in a ponytail and the top stands up a couple of inches before going back straight! I got a hump thing going on like Beyonce.
As of now, I'm not going to get a touch-up. *crossing fingers*
That decision will probably change in about 10 minutes though...or when I go home and try to comb my hair. My hair is in a ponytail and the top stands up a couple of inches before going back straight! I got a hump thing going on like Beyonce.
Did you ever try the S-curl activator? It makes my natural hair very soft. So far I have told just about everyone I come in contact with about the Scurl. It's now a staple in my hair care. A little goes a long way. You could also make your own hair spray with glycerin and conditoner.
Combing through dry hair upsets the curl pattern the hair naturally set itself into as it dried leaving you with an uncontrollable curl pattern that's painful to comb through.
Try combing through new growth with a wide tooth comb only while the hair is damp ... (not wet, more like towel dried). I'm approx. 12 weeks post relaxer; hair type 4a/b and I've found this works for me. Good luck.
Try combing through new growth with a wide tooth comb only while the hair is damp ... (not wet, more like towel dried). I'm approx. 12 weeks post relaxer; hair type 4a/b and I've found this works for me. Good luck.
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Combing through dry hair upsets the curl pattern the hair naturally set itself into as it dried leaving you with an uncontrollable curl pattern that's painful to comb through.
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That makes alotta sense regarding the hair setting into the curl pattern while it's wet.
Thanks for the tip.
Is there a way to stretch the curl pattern while it's wet so that it dries more looser? Ya'll keep provoking my thoughts.
kenyana said:
Combing through dry hair upsets the curl pattern the hair naturally set itself into as it dried leaving you with an uncontrollable curl pattern that's painful to comb through.
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That makes alotta sense regarding the hair setting into the curl pattern while it's wet.
Is there a way to stretch the curl pattern while it's wet so that it dries more looser? Ya'll keep provoking my thoughts.
You can try slicking your hair back into a bun/ponytail while it is wet using a setting lotion or a leave in instead of gel. Also putting your hair into large twists or braids works well. There is another technique called banding the hair that is popular with a lot of naturals. Banding is where you use wide, snagless bands and wrap them down the length of the hair. Sections of panythose work well. This stretches the hair so that it will dry straight will little to no wave. Hope this helps
