Natural_Girl
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What benefits are there in these two products?
Are they hair colours?
What do they do for natural hair?
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Are they hair colours?
What do they do for natural hair?
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Cellophane/Henna for Natural Hair
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Brooke007
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I use Sebastian Colourshines in clear (cellophane) although you can buy them in various shades to add a hint of color. Cellophanes form a protective coating on the hair. I apply it monthly and find that in addition to the added protection it relaxes my curl pattern a bit and my hair detangles better. I'm natural and unless my hair is braided away I will not go without a monthly application. I do it myself. There are also numerous threads on henna but I don't know enough to comment.
Natural_Girl
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Thanks - where do you purchase it from? a salon?
Natural_Girl
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thanks - will try it out
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Brooke, do you find that its too much protein for your hair though? I was considering trying out the clear myself but I was told that you don't need to use any other protein for your hair besides a Colorshine or a Henna...I use protein in my deep conditioner..so it gave me the idea that it would be too much protein...The Colorshine contains protein right?
Natural_Girl
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what's the difference b/w cellophane, henna, and hennalucent???
Brooke007
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Natori24, I'll check the ingredients and post them, but I don't believe there is protein in the cellophanes. There are silcones and lots of them, thus the term cellophane. I use this as a "treatment". I don't consider it as factor contributing to my conditioning or protein regimen at all.
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What other products do you use Brooke? Also, the silicones don't build up on the hair-someone was saying that it can cause breakage [which I thought was strange anyway] because of too many silicones on the hair. I would like to try the Cellophanes though...whenever I get the money to purchase it.
Brooke007
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Natori
I’m not at home to get the ingredients but from their literature the colourshines uses a small amount botanical proteins to help prevent breakage and restore elasticity (according to them) and uses cellulose thickeners as a carrier for the dye. It is a deposit only water based hair color (no peroxide, ammonia or alcohol). I believe the clear has more silicones than the others.
There is a protein reconstructor if your hair is damaged or chemically processed that Sebastians recommends prior to the application of the colorshines if your hair needs it. This to me says that the colourshines alone does not have enough protein to be a protein treatment in and of itself. I do a deep moisturizing conditioner up to 2X a week, and a protein conditioner (Aubrey GPB) every 2 weeks or as needed. Personally I’ve experienced no breakage from the colourshines. I've used them as frequent as every 3 weeks and watched closely for breakage or shedding. I had neither.
But you have to listen to your hair, a lot of naturals don’t use protein at all. My hair needs it, regularly. Whatever the protein in the colorshines it's not enough protein for my hair. Your hair may be more sensitive to protein and need less.
I CO wash daily and used to use the colored colourshines. The color faded within 2 weeks or so. I asked Tracy about the build-up issue (LHCF color guru),how long the colorshines would last, etc. here was her response:
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You probably COULD do the Colorshines more frequently, but Sebastian's has quite a bit of silicone in it's formulation and I worry about it building up being applied and re-applied in that fashion. Would you DAMAGE your hair? Probably not. But I do think that build up, if frequent reapplication affected your hair in this way, COULD be troublesome.
What I do to extend the benefits of my Sebastian Colorshines is use conditioners made for Colortreated hair. They tend to extend the life of the "color" just a tad - which means your colorshines won't disappear as quickly (they probably don't have as many surfectants as most conditioners do). I wouls say this is true whether you actually HAD a color per se or the clear.
I would also try just rinsing the hair, no conditioner every other day instead of CO washing EVERYDAY. But again that's a guess.
Sorry about the Brown going so dark on you. The darker colors are trickier....
I say go with the clear, and if you can stand it, wait the 4 weeks.
Your hair will still reap all the same benefits and more IMO because you are also conditioning it daily and giving it moisture in the form of water. Most people don't take care of their hair as well as we do, and the colorshines helps protect the hair from abuses of the normal sort. Since you don't heat style, or really manipulate the hair much at all I imagine, I think that 2 weeks or so minus the colorshines is actually not a bad thing....
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I believe that the henna and lotus powder are providing the same benefits for lots of people and they are all natural if the silicones worry you at a fraction of the cost of cellophanes. Good luck.
I’m not at home to get the ingredients but from their literature the colourshines uses a small amount botanical proteins to help prevent breakage and restore elasticity (according to them) and uses cellulose thickeners as a carrier for the dye. It is a deposit only water based hair color (no peroxide, ammonia or alcohol). I believe the clear has more silicones than the others.
There is a protein reconstructor if your hair is damaged or chemically processed that Sebastians recommends prior to the application of the colorshines if your hair needs it. This to me says that the colourshines alone does not have enough protein to be a protein treatment in and of itself. I do a deep moisturizing conditioner up to 2X a week, and a protein conditioner (Aubrey GPB) every 2 weeks or as needed. Personally I’ve experienced no breakage from the colourshines. I've used them as frequent as every 3 weeks and watched closely for breakage or shedding. I had neither.
But you have to listen to your hair, a lot of naturals don’t use protein at all. My hair needs it, regularly. Whatever the protein in the colorshines it's not enough protein for my hair. Your hair may be more sensitive to protein and need less.
I CO wash daily and used to use the colored colourshines. The color faded within 2 weeks or so. I asked Tracy about the build-up issue (LHCF color guru),how long the colorshines would last, etc. here was her response:
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You probably COULD do the Colorshines more frequently, but Sebastian's has quite a bit of silicone in it's formulation and I worry about it building up being applied and re-applied in that fashion. Would you DAMAGE your hair? Probably not. But I do think that build up, if frequent reapplication affected your hair in this way, COULD be troublesome.
What I do to extend the benefits of my Sebastian Colorshines is use conditioners made for Colortreated hair. They tend to extend the life of the "color" just a tad - which means your colorshines won't disappear as quickly (they probably don't have as many surfectants as most conditioners do). I wouls say this is true whether you actually HAD a color per se or the clear.
I would also try just rinsing the hair, no conditioner every other day instead of CO washing EVERYDAY. But again that's a guess.
Sorry about the Brown going so dark on you. The darker colors are trickier....
I say go with the clear, and if you can stand it, wait the 4 weeks.
Your hair will still reap all the same benefits and more IMO because you are also conditioning it daily and giving it moisture in the form of water. Most people don't take care of their hair as well as we do, and the colorshines helps protect the hair from abuses of the normal sort. Since you don't heat style, or really manipulate the hair much at all I imagine, I think that 2 weeks or so minus the colorshines is actually not a bad thing....
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I believe that the henna and lotus powder are providing the same benefits for lots of people and they are all natural if the silicones worry you at a fraction of the cost of cellophanes. Good luck.
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Brooke thanks for the detailed response. I am still adjusting to wearing my hair in its "natural" state. I haven't had a relaxer for years on a regular basis but most of the time I kept my hair in braids. If the braids weren't in..I wore my hair pressed. Now I'm trying to eliminate excessive heat. I have a regular mild protein/reconstructor conditioner that I use quite frequently. I think I will eventually try the Colorshines. Question: How can you tell if your natural hair needs protein or if it doesn't? I was experiencing a "snapping" sound weeks ago everytime I combed my hair but there wasn't any breakage in the comb though...someone said that maybe I was using too much protein. I know my hair isn't the same as others and I have to listen to my own hair...but I'm new at this "hair system" thing and I've just started a healthy hair routine for a little over a month now...so there are some things that I don't really know yet.
Brooke007
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Hi Natori- Girl I'm nobodies expert and am still learning myself. I was re-reading your post and read that you mix your protein and your conditioner. Is that correct? I would recommend applying them seperately. It's more time consuming I know, but I've gotten far better results doing them sep.
When I hear a snap to me that means I need a clarifying treatment (ACV rinse) cause it could be product build-up and a moisturizing conditioner, a deep moisturizing conditioner with heat for 30 minutes or no heat left on for an hour. This can be as simple and inexpensive as as LeKair Cholesterol (add a lil honey or olive oil).
I would say do some trial and error and err on the side of too much moisture, which is hard to do as a natural. So when you're out of braids and on your regular regime and something out of the ordinary happens (like hearing the snap) try doing a deep moisturizing treatment and see how your hair reacts over a couple of days, no improvement? Now try a soft protein (always followed by a moisturizing conditioner).
The journey to excellent haircare is a fun one. Just give it some time and pay attention to what your hair reacts to. I'd also recommend a hair journal. Since there is sooo much trial and error at our stage, it's easy to move on to another product and your hair reacts negatively to it but now you can't remember what it was that you used before that was better.
When I hear a snap to me that means I need a clarifying treatment (ACV rinse) cause it could be product build-up and a moisturizing conditioner, a deep moisturizing conditioner with heat for 30 minutes or no heat left on for an hour. This can be as simple and inexpensive as as LeKair Cholesterol (add a lil honey or olive oil).
I would say do some trial and error and err on the side of too much moisture, which is hard to do as a natural. So when you're out of braids and on your regular regime and something out of the ordinary happens (like hearing the snap) try doing a deep moisturizing treatment and see how your hair reacts over a couple of days, no improvement? Now try a soft protein (always followed by a moisturizing conditioner).
The journey to excellent haircare is a fun one. Just give it some time and pay attention to what your hair reacts to. I'd also recommend a hair journal. Since there is sooo much trial and error at our stage, it's easy to move on to another product and your hair reacts negatively to it but now you can't remember what it was that you used before that was better.
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Brooke007 said:
I was re-reading your post and read that you mix your protein and your conditioner. Is that correct?
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No, actually the deep conditioner I use is the mild protein one. I do follow it up with a moisturizing conditioner. So it is to separate conditioners. I will say that I never experienced the "mushy" hair that you said you get after using to many protein products in your hair. I do clarify my hair using a clarifying shampoo though. Actually, the snapping sounds that I hear is a result of using these particular products: moisturizing shampoo [if clarifying I use that one first], deep conditioner [mild protein], and moisturizing conditioner followed by light moisturizers/oils for a leave-in. I don't hear it anymore..so maybe that was just a false alarm. I have tried new products that were terrible for my hair so I don't use them anymore. Thanks for the response.
Brooke007 said:
I was re-reading your post and read that you mix your protein and your conditioner. Is that correct?
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No, actually the deep conditioner I use is the mild protein one. I do follow it up with a moisturizing conditioner. So it is to separate conditioners. I will say that I never experienced the "mushy" hair that you said you get after using to many protein products in your hair. I do clarify my hair using a clarifying shampoo though. Actually, the snapping sounds that I hear is a result of using these particular products: moisturizing shampoo [if clarifying I use that one first], deep conditioner [mild protein], and moisturizing conditioner followed by light moisturizers/oils for a leave-in. I don't hear it anymore..so maybe that was just a false alarm. I have tried new products that were terrible for my hair so I don't use them anymore. Thanks for the response.
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Brooke: Do you notice the shine after using the Colorshines? I ask because someone mentioned once that you notice extra shiny hair after using this if you have a relaxer, not necessarily on natural hair.
ChocoKitty
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Hey Brooke!
How do you apply your cellophanes? The last couple of times I got one I went to the shop. I'd like to try it on my own. TIA!
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Brooke007
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Oops! I almost missed this!
Natori, I don't get the bling bling shine others (relaxed heads) have reported. I do see a marked difference in shine when I flat iron though. But I only do so maybe 2X a year
Chocokitty: It's so simple you apply it like you would a conditioner.
After I deep condition and rinse (deep moisturizing conditioner) for 30 min with heat or 1hr. no heat. I let my hair air dry until it is just slightly damp, not wet but not dry.
Tracy is the one that recommended that you deep condition before applying the cellophane and it does make a difference.
I section my hair and apply the cellophane making sure that each strand is coated (use gloves). I put on a plastic cap and sit either under a hood dryer for 30 minutes or under my heatcap on high for 30 minutes. Then I let my hair cool for 10 minutes. I remove the cap. Next I take several heaping handfuls of Pantene smooth & sleek conditioner and apply through out my hair and rinse. Any instant conditioner would do fine I use this because it makes for a quicker rinse out and aids in the post-cellophane comb out. Afterwards I just proceed with my regular moisturizing leave ins.
I know others complain about the application being messy, I think they must be applying it to soaking wet hair, which is not recommended. The cellophane has a gel liquid like consistency and it doesn't drip and I use a lot of it cause I want to make sure every strand is coated.
If you're using a colored cellophane and happen to drop some on the floor or counter it will come up if wiped immediately, if you wait it will take a little extra elbow grease. If you get it on clothing however it's over. If oyu get it on your hands use a little baking soda and water and scrub your hands, (always use gloves). HTH.
Natori, I don't get the bling bling shine others (relaxed heads) have reported. I do see a marked difference in shine when I flat iron though. But I only do so maybe 2X a year
Chocokitty: It's so simple you apply it like you would a conditioner.
After I deep condition and rinse (deep moisturizing conditioner) for 30 min with heat or 1hr. no heat. I let my hair air dry until it is just slightly damp, not wet but not dry.
Tracy is the one that recommended that you deep condition before applying the cellophane and it does make a difference.
I section my hair and apply the cellophane making sure that each strand is coated (use gloves). I put on a plastic cap and sit either under a hood dryer for 30 minutes or under my heatcap on high for 30 minutes. Then I let my hair cool for 10 minutes. I remove the cap. Next I take several heaping handfuls of Pantene smooth & sleek conditioner and apply through out my hair and rinse. Any instant conditioner would do fine I use this because it makes for a quicker rinse out and aids in the post-cellophane comb out. Afterwards I just proceed with my regular moisturizing leave ins.
I know others complain about the application being messy, I think they must be applying it to soaking wet hair, which is not recommended. The cellophane has a gel liquid like consistency and it doesn't drip and I use a lot of it cause I want to make sure every strand is coated.
If you're using a colored cellophane and happen to drop some on the floor or counter it will come up if wiped immediately, if you wait it will take a little extra elbow grease. If you get it on clothing however it's over. If oyu get it on your hands use a little baking soda and water and scrub your hands, (always use gloves). HTH.
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Another question Brooke: After you sit under the dryer with the colorshines on, you apply a conditioner on top of that before rinsing it out? I'm not sure if I read correctly or not.
Brooke007
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Yes after I've come out from under the dryer and waited 10 minutes to let my head cool I apply instant conditioner on top of the cellophane (any instant conditioner). I do this in preparation to rinse out the cellophane. It just cuts the final cellophane rinse out time in half. With conditioner takes about 3-5 minutes. Without the conditioner 5-10 minutes plus.
If your cellophane is colored the rinse out will take slightly longer.
If your cellophane is colored the rinse out will take slightly longer.
