Catholics: We've Got our 2nd Miracle!!!

[Galadriel]

Doctors have examined and approved a miraculous healing attributed to the intercession of Blessed John Paul II. Now it goes to the theologians and cardinals. Once they give approval, John Paul can be officially declared a saint in the Catholic Church as early as October!

Yay!!!!!! Blessed John Paul II, pray for us

Story below:

http://vaticaninsider.lastampa.it/en/the-vatican/detail/articolo/wojtyla-wojtyla-wojtyla-24259/

 

[Belle Du Jour]

When I read the title, I was like, it's Sheen or JPII Yay!

 

[Galadriel]

Added JPII pic. I'd LOVE to see Fulton Sheen canonized as well.

 

[JaneBond007]

If it's held secretively, how does one go about pleading the intercession of a saint with documentation that it was done? Do they go to their priests and have it all documented??? Going from there with medical records and then presented to the bishops, then the Vatican?

 

[ktykaty]

JaneBond007


It's the info about the miracle that are secret for now. All will be revealed in due time.

For a miracle healing, the first step is to prove that the healing cannot be explained by any medical mean.
The second step is to prove that intercession occured. Most of the time the person, their family, their parish or their congregation where praying. That's relatively easy to prove.

HTH.

 

[JaneBond007]

ktykaty

Well, what I'm asking, who initiates it formally? A family member tells the priest beforehand? Anybody could say, "I prayed to Blessed Such 'n Such and there's a miraculous healing." Or would it be more usual to say it after-the-fact? Who can vouch that it was done if not in Church, during a service etc.? Do people ask for such intentions from the priest? Perhaps a prayer service or group in which the intention was mentioned?

I realize the article mentioned that it was secret but I'm curious as to who and what. I never got the information for the one about Kateri Tekawitha that lead to her canonization. Was interested in that as well.


ETA: There is an article now from Oct. 2012 on Kateri Tekawitha

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...t-kateri-tekakwitha-to-vatican_n_1993932.html

I think that at the time I wondered, there was no article indicating who it was and how. But they used a relic, placing it on his leg and congregational prayer was done for his healing. When would that be, though? A specified healing mass? I think we had one 2 years ago or so. Anyhoo, are we saying there is a relic of Blessed JPII?

 

[ktykaty]

JaneBond007

It depends. That's not very helpful.

For the first miracle of JPII, the little sister who had Parkinson disease was reporting to the Mother of her congregation that she could no longer write or exercise her job as a nurse. Then JPII died, then the whole congregation decided to ask JPII to intercede for her. After she was healed, they reported her case (I don't remember if it was to their local bishop or to the postulator of the cause).

The postulator collects evidences and interrogates (under oath) witnesses. A written testimony is also requested.
To be recognised as a miracle, there was the medical council (doctors only), then there was the theologians, then the Congregation for the Causes of Saints and finally the Pope.
The medical council validates if the healing is truly inexplicable. One must have a solid medical record to pass this test.
The theologians validate the spiritual aspect = if the intercession of blessed so and so is involved or is it a case of God showering his grace on someone just because.


Some people, contact directly the postulator of the cause or their priest or their bishop.
For example at Lourdes, people contact the official doctor of the sanctuary.

HTH.

 

[JaneBond007]

It depends. That's not very helpful.

I don't get your meaning. As for the explanation of the postulator, thank you. That makes more sense to me. They should probably just wait quietly and reveal when he's been canonized. "Secret-this, secret-that," I don't quite get it nor like that. Just tell me when they're canonized lol. Otherwise, people are seriously curious and want to know details.

 

[ktykaty]

I don't get your meaning. As for the explanation of the postulator, thank you. That makes more sense to me. They should probably just wait quietly and reveal when he's been canonized. "Secret-this, secret-that," I don't quite get it nor like that. Just tell me when they're canonized lol. Otherwise, people are seriously curious and want to know details.

I was being facetious,that's all.
The way an inexplicable healing is recognised as miracle depends on the situation and the people involved.

Things are kept under wrap to protect the privacy of the people involved (person healed and fam) and to allow the church to conduct the necessary investigation without interference. There's also the possibility that the healing cannot be recognised as a miracle. Often, at Lourdes, healing are not recognised as miracle because the medical file is not well documented. We need to prove that's medicine cannot explain the healing.

I'm sure we are going to have more details if/as soon as Pope Francis gave is approval.
For the first miracle of JPII, we knew that it was a nun living in a congregation in France, that she was healed from Parkinson disease. We didn't know her name and where she lived till last minute.