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Hairsoaper said:
I'm still catching up on posts. But @asummertyme So are you implying that you don't have the ability to hypothesize about what you would do in a situation that you're not directly involved in? It must be grand sitting in a bubble watching other people work out their problems while only addressing issues that directly impact you. Hmmm. Most of us, I think, empathize with others and are actually able to put ourselves in someone else's shoes figuratively without actually putting the shoe on. I think it makes one a better person. You ought to try it.

Had you read the thread in its entirety, I don't know how Paypal would have helped me since I didn't pay by that route. GA found SF where she knew she could be found, and we all got the answer that we needed and that is she is a nonchalant "thief" (for lack of using a better word). As far as finding other venues to file a complaint, I'm going through all the legal means I know how. TRUST. And since this is the place where I found out about BT, and I know SF uses this forum largely to promote her business, the MORAL part of me feels obligated to let others know the TRUTH..a concept you'd be a more loyal friend, helping SF to find.
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yes it must be grand.!!.yawn.
.please dont come at me sideways..i dont react well with that..
now u go back..and reread what i wrote, and then ask me in a manner that i came in this thread with..but dont puff ur chest at me cause ur on the net and its easy..
 
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WhipEffectz1 said:
Why yall sending money orders for stuff??!! I need to open up a money order business because people stay paying for stuff in the era of Rush and Walmart Moneycards with money orders. What in the world??!!! lol
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WhipEffectz1

Hairsoaper's mother paid for it with a money order, as some people who are "old school" prefer to do. I'm sure she knows now to pay electronically, (getting her daughter to do it for her) but that's besides the point.
 
If anyone doesnt like what i said..thats one thing..but please dont try to be disprespctful to me..thats not the way i came in this thread..its not the way i came at anyone..and i would appreciate the same respect back..if ur having a bad day... here have a glass of wine...
or read the bible
or exercise
but do not..try to be rude or nasty to me..when that is the last furthest thing that i was tryna do when i came in..folx asked me questions and i reply'd.
thats it
 
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asummertyme said:
If anyone doesnt like what i said..thats one thing..but please dont try to be disprespctful to me..thats not the way i came in this thread..its not the way i came at anyone..and i would appreciate the same repect back..if ur having a bad day... here have a glass of wine...
or read the bible
or exercise
but do not..try to be rude or nasty to me..when that is the last furthest thing that i was tryna do when i came in..folx asked me questions and i reply'd.
thats it
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Real talk!
 
bronzebomb said:
Just asking for clarity. I didn't want to read 34 pages of rhetoric for one complaint.

However, there were other means that should have been taken first. Did the OP track the Money Order? Could it have been lost? Did the messages go to the junk mail? Just asking...It seems a bit weird. Some people received orders and some didn't?
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This is about more than one customer.

OP, is well aware of the process of tracking a money order. This was done weeks ago. She posted the findings in this thread.






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asummertyme said:
If anyone doesnt like what i said..thats one thing..but please dont try to be disprespctful to me..thats not the way i came in this thread..its not the way i came at anyone..and i would appreciate the same respect back..if ur having a bad day... here have a glass of wine...
or read the bible
or exercise
but do not..try to be rude or nasty to me..when that is the last furthest thing that i was tryna do when i came in..folx asked me questions and i reply'd.
thats it
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Nobody is trying to be nasty to you. You stated your opinion and I stated mine. No harm meant. I don't drink, but the Bible and exercise part sounds great. Thanks!
 
Hairsoaper

I didn't read asummertyme's post the way you interpreted imo. I read it to say she wouldn't have known what to do. Period.

This is a sad and emotional situation that angers, baffles or hurts us all. We are all passionate, but I know we can't attack each other.

Hairsoaper, you are the only victim here, along with those who aren't getting what they paid for. We must not lose sight of that regardless of our feelings.

:bighug: ladies of LHCF
 
Hairsoaper said:
Nobody is trying to be nasty to you. You stated your opinion and I stated mine. No harm meant. I don't drink, but the Bible and exercise part sounds great. Thanks!
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girl u know that was not an opnion u stated in ur last comment..keep it real..u was mad..and i understand that..but lets keep a cool head..now go read that verse...
 
Aireen said:
I think it was iri9109 that said that the information is public anyway if you look hard enough for it. :look:
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That was me. Wanted to let peeps know that the information is out there in case they need it :look:


So SF deleted GAbulldawg from FB & also decided to hide her friend list, huh? Why am I NOT surprised :lol: . I'm just shocked that people here are so shocked that SF would do something like this.

SparklingFlame BEEN known about this thread.. that was evident after she ignored her mention notifications and tags (even though she usually responds to them), blocked PM's after members tried to contact her regarding their orders and ignored paypal's attempts to resolve the complaints -- all the while posting in other threads and on FB. It's only when sh!t REALLY hit the fan that she went ghost. Besides, it's not the first time that SF has done this and whenever she gets called out for not sending orders or her piss poor service, she conveniently goes on a little hiatus until the problem has been resolved or blows over... and then members are right back ordering from her again.

Unless you know SF outside of LHCF/FB/TWITTER you don't really *know* her. I bet most of the people defending SF have never even had a conversation with her outside of the Internet before. I also think that these 'e-friendships' tend to cloud peoples judgment and logic. I said the same thing after the personal information of lhcf members was blasted on twitter and people were blaming the the 'RT haters' lol, when I knew in my mind that it had to be one of the members of the RT clique (which in the end turned out to be the case SMH). ... That's how it always is on internet forums I told ya'll then that it's always the most well-liked/popular/friendliest members that turn out to be the manipulative, lying, backstabbing ones :rolleyes:

I don't think that it was SF's intention to jack peoples money. I just think that she is a crappy business owner and got in over her head. At this point it doesn't matter though... Members have been cheated out of their money and she hasn't even attempted to address the issue like an honest and responsible person should.
 
Oh and a FYI:

SparklingFlame DID NOT steal any recipe. Den's recipe was a slightly altered version of Moe's Growth Oil, which was an alternative version of MTG. Moe was the originator of the homemade sulfur oil and shared it publicly on her fotki and multiple forums including BHM and NP, for people to do with it as they please. Den didn't even post a complete formula (no percentages or exact measurements) only that she poured an inch of sulfur into 32 oz bottle and filled the rest with oils.

SF (minus some oils that den used in her recipe) created her own version of the oil that Den shared and received a nice amount of growth which peaked the interest of other members.... SF then decided to sell it and that is how BT came about. There was no secrecy or stealing going on and other members made their own version of Moe's oil also. Den was fully aware of this and went on to start her own product line with a ayurvedic version of the sulfur oil called Ayurveda Growth Elixir. Bee Mine and Aut Gro were similar oils being sold around the same time as well.

So yea... BT wasn't stolen and besides you can't copyright or trademark a recipe anyway, so once you post something like that on a public forum it's fair game.

Just thought I clarify because I feel that people are adding fuel to the fire, with false accusations and I don't want the thread to get shut down.
 
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I think this thread accomplished a lot of things (especially if you read through it) because there were a lot of helpful suggestions made about fraud, getting money back, reporting someone who is stealing from people through an online business etc.

The other thing is...it gives us an opportunity to think about what we expect from people we do business with. Like OP and others have said there's been a lot of members who were here for every other gate causing a storm but now its someone they're friends with its all quiet. We go wild on Asian BSS and the Shima's of the internet but we really can't say much because its Sparkling Flame and we used to trade jokie jokes with her?

We keep claiming we want to support black businesses and each other but I'm sorry a WHOLE BUNCH of folks need to step their game up. Because I'm starting to see business as shady as what we were all supposed to be running from. Afroveda and Hairveda using bases 80% made but then claiming they need 15 days and 20 extra dollars for the 'hand-made' quality? Boundless Tresses bouncing with people's money but folks consistently worrying about HER health? There's a whole lot of trust and patience we've been giving to these women in support only to find out half the time they are cheating us.

I understand the position of her friends in theory but at the same time I don't understand. I can get being uncomfortable with someone contacting SF on her facebook page IF other means of communication were getting through but they weren't. I'm not saying you have any responsibility but if this were Ming Lee of Beauty Lane and you heard folks had been paying her, contacting her, and she wasn't responding would you still be uncomfortable? Because half of this escalation is because SF is doing everything a THIEF does and folks were still saying 'maybe this' 'maybe that' so people had to PROVE that yes they were being cheated and did deserve support.

Why...should anyone respect her or try to be sensitive to her when its obvious she doesn't care about anyone? Because honestly...if this was someone else I'm sure folks would be jumping, but because its her some people feel like we need to be in a position where we're extra careful and tip toeing. We're going to get the respect we demand and frankly this thread and other behavior in general makes me wary of supporting some online business started by LHCF members and others.

People do scams by seeing who's vulnerable and who they can get money from, if all that happens to SF is people being pissed at her on the net while others defend or sympathize with her that doesn't exactly dissuade her (and others) from using us. Hence why this is 30+ pages and growing, to teach the lesson we're not suckers and even if its not my money I'm not happy with it being another member's money either.
 
Noir said:
I said the same thing after the personal information of lhcf members was blasted on twitter and people were blaming the the 'RT haters' lol, when I knew in my mind that it had to be one of the members of the RT clique (which in the end turned out to be the case SMH). ... That's how it always is on internet forums I told ya'll then that it's always the most well-liked/popular/friendliest members that turn out to be the manipulative, lying, backstabbing ones :rolleyes:
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Hold up...what happened?
 
Besides the fact that this sf is a THIEF what i get from this thread also is to MAKE UR OWN ISH you spend less money and you get more than one bottle
 
Noir said:
That was me. Wanted to let peeps know that the information is out there in case they need it :look:


So SF deleted GAbulldawg from FB & also decided to hide her friend list, huh? Why am I NOT surprised :lol: . I'm just shocked that people here are so shocked that SF would do something like this.

SparklingFlame BEEN known about this thread.. that was evident after she ignored her mention notifications and tags (even though she usually responds to them), blocked PM's after members tried to contact her regarding their orders and ignored paypal's attempts to resolve the complaints -- all the while posting in other threads and on FB. It's only when sh!t REALLY hit the fan that she went ghost. Besides, it's not the first time that SF has done this and whenever she gets called out for not sending orders or her piss poor service, she conveniently goes on a little hiatus until the problem has been resolved or blows over... and then members are right back ordering from her again.

Unless you know SF outside of LHCF/FB/TWITTER you don't really *know* her. I bet most of the people defending SF have never even had a conversation with her outside of the Internet before. I also think that these 'e-friendships' tend to cloud peoples judgment and logic. I said the same thing after the personal information of lhcf members was blasted on twitter and people were blaming the the 'RT haters' lol, when I knew in my mind that it had to be one of the members of the RT clique (which in the end turned out to be the case SMH). ... That's how it always is on internet forums I told ya'll then that it's always the most well-liked/popular/friendliest members that turn out to be the manipulative, lying, backstabbing ones :rolleyes:

I don't think that it was SF's intention to jack peoples money. I just think that she is a crappy business owner and got in over her head. At this point it doesn't matter though... Members have been cheated out of their money and she hasn't even attempted to address the issue like an honest and responsible person should.
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Damn, you just...:lol: You just blew it out the damn water!! But the BOLDed is what got me.

There is no such thing as an e-friend and if that fiasco that you described didn't tell folks what was up then, then I don't know what else would.

The power of popularity is really something.
 
I totally agree with what Noir and january noir have stated. Just because you click with someone online does not a friend make. Also, I feel sorry for asummertyme and gabulldawg for being put in the position where they were made to defend their choices with respect to talking to SparkingFlame.

After catching up with this thread, I have to admit that I am really, really disappointed in her behavior. How someone can justify taking other people's money and putting your name behind something that's poorly run is beyond me. :nono:
 
wow .... just .... wow @ this thread

phew that was a long, interesting and informative thread

:cowgirl:
 
I think once you have lost trust and credibility then the respect also goes out the window. So I have no issue with her .....sparkless flame....being called out on FB on whatever. Its not my battle either but I truly dislike dishonesty and stealing.
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Exactly! Who cares about embarrassing her?! So what! She is a no good thief! I have never seen someone do such a piss poor job of avoiding responsibilities! If you wanna be a thief, at least do it well! Like disappear from the internet world, change all of your SNs everywhere... but she just gonna sit on FB like people can't contact her?! If you gonna be a criminal, don't be a dumbass criminal!

And I had liked her font, too :(

*back to lurking*

Sent from my WX445 using WX445
 
qchelle said:
I have never seen someone do such a piss poor job of avoiding responsibilities! If you wanna be a thief, at least do it well! Like disappear from the internet world, change all of your SNs everywhere... but she just gonna sit on FB like people can't contact her?! If you gonna be a criminal, don't be a dumbass criminal!
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That's the only thing that confuses me because I can't look at her actions and see anything but a thief but um...did you forget people KNOW you SF? :look:
 
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