Book of Enoch anyone??
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From what I understand, it was never considered to be scripture. It is now considered to be a "Lost Book" but it isn't since it is just an ancient book. Here's an explanation from CARM:
It may not be scripture but it should be a good read. I would think it would give insight into what people were thinking and doing in biblical times. Please give a review when you are finished.
There is much talk these days about lost books of the Bible. Sometimes people claim that the Bible was edited to take out reincarnation, or the teaching of higher planes of existence, or different gods, or ancestor worship, or "at-one-ment" with nature, anything that disagreed with what the people in power didn't like. But, none of this is true. The "lost books" were never lost. These so called lost books were already known by the Jews and the Christians and were not considered inspired. They weren't lost nor were they removed from the Bible because they were never in the Bible to begin with.
These so called lost books were not included in the Bible for several reasons. They lacked apostolic or prophetic authorship; they did not claim to be the Word of God; they contain unbiblical concepts such as prayer for the dead in 2 Macc. 12:45-46; or have some serious historical inaccuracies. These books were never authoritative, inspired, or authentically written by either the Jewish Prophets or the Christian Apostles.
Nevertheless, in spite of these problems the Roman Catholic church has added certain books to the canon of scripture. In 1546, largely due in response to the Reformation, the Roman Catholic church authorized several more books as scripture known as the apocrypha. The word apocrypha means hidden. It is used in a general sense to describe a list of books written by Jews between 300 and 100 B.C. More specifically, it is used of the 7 additional books accepted by the Catholic church as being inspired. The entire list of books of the apocrypha are: 1 and 2 Esdras, Tobit, Judith, the Rest of Esther, the Wisdom of Solomon, Sirach, (also titled Ecclesiasticus), Baruch, The Letter of Jeremiah, Song of the Three Young Men, Susanna, Bel and the Dragon, The Additions to Daniel, The Prayer of Manasseh, and 1 and 2 Maccabees. The books accepted as inspired and included in the Catholic Bible are Tobit, Judith, 1 and 2 Maccabees Wisdom of Solomon Sirach (also known as Ecclesiasticus), and Baruch
The Pseudepigraphal books are "false writings." They are a collection of early Jewish and "Christian" writings composed between 200 BC and AD 200. However, they too were known and were never considered scripture. A list of these would be the Epistle of Barnabas, the First Epistle of Clement to the Corinthians, the Second Epistle of Clement to the Corinthians, the The letter of the Smyrnaeans or the Martyrdom of Polycarp, the The Shepherd of Hermas, the The Book of Enoch, the Gospel of Thomas (140-170 AD), the The Psalms of Solomon, the The Odes of Solomon, the The Testaments of the twelve Patriarchs, the Second Baruch, the Third Baruch, the The Books of Adam and Eve.
The Deuterocanonical (apocrypha) books are those books that were included in the Greek Septuagint (LXX) but not included in the Hebrew Bible. The recognized deuterocanonical books are 1 Esdras (150-100 BC), 2 Esdras (100 AD), Tobit (200 BC), Judith (150 BC), the Additions to Esther (140-130 BC), the Wisdom of Solomon (30 BC), Ecclesiasticus (Sirach) (132 BC), Barach (150-50 BC), the Letter of Jeremiah (300-100 BC), the Susanna (200-0 BC), Bel and the Dragon (100 BC), the Additions to Daniel (Prayer of Azariah (200-0 BC), the Prayer of Manassesh (100-0 BC), 1 Maccabees (110 BC), and 2 Maccabees (110-170 BC).1
These pseudepigraphal and deuterocanonical books were never considered scripture by the Christian church because they were not authoritative, inspired, written by either Prophets or Apostles, nor do they have the power of the word of the books of the existing Bible. Therefore, since the books are not lost and were never part of the Bible to begin with, they have no bearing on the validity of the Bible.
______________It may not be scripture but it should be a good read. I would think it would give insight into what people were thinking and doing in biblical times. Please give a review when you are finished.
Isis
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Yes, I have The Book of Enoch (also known as I Enoch) in my library and it is very interesting. These are just some quotes I typed about The Book of Enoch (not from the Internet) in a brochure I have. There is much more.
"More than five millenniums ago, a Prophet named Enoch, born of the pure seed of Adam's Race, prophesied of the very time that we are now living in. This Prophet and Sage drank deep from the fountain of God's great Wisdom and had the veil lifted, that he might see and hear the wisdom of God as no man dared to do. Those who have never lived in the depths of the prophecies of Enoch have rejected or missed some of the greatest wisdom ever imparted to Adam's Race."
"For the first three centuries, The Book of Enoch was read and considered as canonical. It was widely acclaimed throughout Western Christendom. It is quoted as genuine scripture by Jude and is acclaimed by St. Barnabas as scripture. Enoch is heavily supported in much of the pseudepigraphal writings and its influence can be clearly traced throughout the New Testament Canon of Scripture including the writings of St. Paul. The Early Church Fathers considered Enoch as canonical scripture. It was not until after the Council of Nicene in 325 AD that the Book of Enoch fell into discredit."
"Written in Aramaic and Hebrew, the Book of Enoch covers a broad spectrum of subject matter and includes most of the areas covered in the ancient School of the Prophets. The Wisdom of Enoch has long been held in great esteem by all the sacred writers of ecclesiastical history and his name is associated with most of the great secrets unveiled by our God to Adam's Race. The Book of Enoch covers the Messiah, the Kingdom on earth, the origin of sin, sheol, final judgment, resurrection and future life, angelology, demonology, the flood, the calendar, astronomy, eschatology and many other fields of knowledge."
"More than five millenniums ago, a Prophet named Enoch, born of the pure seed of Adam's Race, prophesied of the very time that we are now living in. This Prophet and Sage drank deep from the fountain of God's great Wisdom and had the veil lifted, that he might see and hear the wisdom of God as no man dared to do. Those who have never lived in the depths of the prophecies of Enoch have rejected or missed some of the greatest wisdom ever imparted to Adam's Race."
"For the first three centuries, The Book of Enoch was read and considered as canonical. It was widely acclaimed throughout Western Christendom. It is quoted as genuine scripture by Jude and is acclaimed by St. Barnabas as scripture. Enoch is heavily supported in much of the pseudepigraphal writings and its influence can be clearly traced throughout the New Testament Canon of Scripture including the writings of St. Paul. The Early Church Fathers considered Enoch as canonical scripture. It was not until after the Council of Nicene in 325 AD that the Book of Enoch fell into discredit."
"Written in Aramaic and Hebrew, the Book of Enoch covers a broad spectrum of subject matter and includes most of the areas covered in the ancient School of the Prophets. The Wisdom of Enoch has long been held in great esteem by all the sacred writers of ecclesiastical history and his name is associated with most of the great secrets unveiled by our God to Adam's Race. The Book of Enoch covers the Messiah, the Kingdom on earth, the origin of sin, sheol, final judgment, resurrection and future life, angelology, demonology, the flood, the calendar, astronomy, eschatology and many other fields of knowledge."
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vevster said:
By literalist, do you mean you don't take the Bible literally? The Bible explains itself and should be taken literally. When it is not THAT'S when all of these 'interpretations' come from, causing confusion.
Enchantmt
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Its not that there are so many different verisons, but there are several translations, and as we do not have english equivalents to every word, sometimes you dont get the full meaning. The amplified bible does a good job of being thorough. The other thing is that the punctuation was added. There is no punctuation in the original text. A comma in the wrong place can totally change the meaning of a passage, and thats where a lot of debate comes in as well.
For example:
Mom said John has a great sense of humor.
Mom, said John, has a great sense of humor.
You have to read for discernment. I know Fred Price has on occasion said that certain punctuation is incorrect in the bible and that the punctuation is not sacred, as it was added by the translators to improve the readability (is that a word) of the text. In the original text there are no paragraph or chapter breaks or anything. It doesnt change the integrity of the text as far as the translation goes, but it's something you have to be aware of when you see certain bibilical debates.
For example:
Mom said John has a great sense of humor.
Mom, said John, has a great sense of humor.
You have to read for discernment. I know Fred Price has on occasion said that certain punctuation is incorrect in the bible and that the punctuation is not sacred, as it was added by the translators to improve the readability (is that a word) of the text. In the original text there are no paragraph or chapter breaks or anything. It doesnt change the integrity of the text as far as the translation goes, but it's something you have to be aware of when you see certain bibilical debates.
