I'm still a big fan of Qhemet products. Their honey bush tea gel is nice, a little goes a long way tho and since I need all my strands coated, I normally mix it with curl activator. Since I apply to wet hair it dries touchable, not sticky. You can also try Noodlehead, I dont like it by itself, it dries hard in my hair so I mix it with activator too. I need my strands covered to bring out the texture so the activator stretches the product for me. The Qhemet Olive cream is good to for curl def but if you want it to "hold" I would mix it with a little of the honey bush tea gel. I also comb the product through my hair with my denman sorta like the shingling to bring out curl def. I use less product that way. Plopping works too.