Angels and Demons: Let's talk exorcism....

Laela

Laela

Sidestepping the "lynch mob"
Demons exist, no doubt.

Has anyone read or heard about these three teen exorcists who work under the direction of Bob Larson? Larson is a well-known exorcist who believes half the earth's population has demons.

Here are a few links to the story from various sources...

ABC News interview:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJF2Bub0S_8

Interview with Anderson Cooper:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...three_n_1313134.html?ref=religion&ir=Religion

Opposing views- Reverend Bob Larson's Teenage Daughters Love the Family Business: Exorcisms
http://www.opposingviews.com/i/reli...nage-daughters-love-family-business-exorcisms

New York Daily News- Charlie’s Angels of exorcists? Teen girls say they’re experts
http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-04-05/news/31296256_1_exorcisms-teen-girls-young-women
 
@Laela do you know if exorcism and deliverance means the same thing.

I ask this question b/c I'm not use to hearing the term "exorcism."

Can someone break down what is actually done in an exorcism?

I'm at work and can't watch the videos.
 
Reality show? Four hundred dollars?......

Doesn't Tb joshua and his wise men do the same thing but free? And usually in one session?


http://youtu.be/0c0wLvJxvKY


I'm confused...and shouldn't they continue to be in prayer and fasting if that is their calling?
 
I started listening to Christian talk radio when DH and I got together and Larson was in rotation at the time. He had some great info, but when he did a live telephone exorcism (or deliverance) I was done. Talk about fake! He ended up losing a lot of stations that day. TBN still kept his late night show going a few years longer.

At the time, he did not charge to help people since he got paid well via conferences. I have no idea what happened, but I would stay away from him.
 
I know that this wasn't towards me, but I do believe that delieverance and exorcism are the same thing. The term exorcism is not really used alot anymore and if it is, it is used in the Catholic church. At my church we just refer to it as "casting out devils". But delieverance means to be freed from something, so it works hand and hand.
This past Sunday at my church this lady visted my church and she had a devil. we had a altar call and she went crazy. People just laid hands on her, it came out and that was it.

I once watched a documentary on exorcism and the exorcism was like 30 something days!!! Literally. They kept this boy in a hospital room and prayed over him everyday. Would say scriptures and just pray. They would talk to the demon inside of the boy. This went on for days. They kept a journal and would let the boy write how he felt.

PinkPebbles said:
@Laela do you know if exorcism and deliverance means the same thing.

I ask this question b/c I'm not use to hearing the term "exorcism."

Can someone break down what is actually done in an exorcism?

I'm at work and can't watch the videos.
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Alicialynn86 said:
I know that this wasn't towards me, but I do believe that delieverance and exorcism are the same thing. The term exorcism is not really used alot anymore and if it is, it is used in the Catholic church. At my church we just refer to it as "casting out devils". But delieverance means to be freed from something, so it works hand and hand.
This past Sunday at my church this lady visted my church and she had a devil. we had a altar call and she went crazy. People just laid hands on her, it came out and that was it.

I once watched a documentary on exorcism and the exorcism was like 30 something days!!! Literally. They kept this boy in a hospital room and prayed over him everyday. Would say scriptures and just pray. They would talk to the demon inside of the boy. This went on for days. They kept a journal and would let the boy write how he felt.
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OMGosh, so when the boy wrote down what he felt....was it him writing it or the demon? What's the name of the documentary?

When you all laid hands on the lady at the alter last Sunday, did you see the demon come out or did her demeanor somehow change and then you knew that she was no longer afflicted?
 
Alicialynn86 said:
I know that this wasn't towards me, but I do believe that delieverance and exorcism are the same thing. The term exorcism is not really used alot anymore and if it is, it is used in the Catholic church. At my church we just refer to it as "casting out devils". But delieverance means to be freed from something, so it works hand and hand.
This past Sunday at my church this lady visted my church and she had a devil. we had a altar call and she went crazy. People just laid hands on her, it came out and that was it.

I once watched a documentary on exorcism and the exorcism was like 30 something days!!! Literally. They kept this boy in a hospital room and prayed over him everyday. Would say scriptures and just pray. They would talk to the demon inside of the boy. This went on for days. They kept a journal and would let the boy write how he felt.
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Thank you for explaining.

When I think of exorcism I always associated it with a ritual opposed to just laying on the hands (deliverance) and be done.
 
Still watching but I have a question as well ...

Do ALL non-believers (e.g., athiests, agnostics, etc.) have demons inside of them or we don't know for sure? I'm thinking that if they don't have the Holy Spirit, then it's the perfect place for a demon to reside. I really don't know ... any thoughts?
 
My question is this?.when you deliver someone from demons in a room full of people, do they enter another person in that room or can they go into the person doing the deliverance?
 
loolalooh said:
Still watching but I have a question as well ...

Do ALL non-believers (e.g., athiests, agnostics, etc.) have demons inside of them or we don't know for sure? I'm thinking that if they don't have the Holy Spirit, then it's the perfect place for a demon to reside. I really don't know ... any thoughts?
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I'm not sure but I wouldn't think that they automatically have them. But they are probably more susceptible to be afflicted with one or used by one.
 
sweetvi said:
My question is this?.when you deliver someone from demons in a room full of people, do they enter another person in that room or can they go into the person doing the deliverance?
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sweetvi:

They can enter another person, but it is not happening if those other persons have the Holy Spirit dwelling in them.

MATTHEW 12
43 “When an impure spirit comes out of a person, it goes through arid places seeking rest and does not find it. 44 Then it says, ‘I will return to the house I left.’ When it arrives, it finds the house unoccupied, swept clean and put in order. 45 Then it goes and takes with it seven other spirits more wicked than itself, and they go in and live there. And the final condition of that person is worse than the first. That is how it will be with this wicked generation.”
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In these verses, they enter some pigs.

MATTHEW 8
28 When he arrived at the other side in the region of the Gadarenes,[c] two demon-possessed men coming from the tombs met him. They were so violent that no one could pass that way. 29 “What do you want with us, Son of God?” they shouted. “Have you come here to torture us before the appointed time?”
30 Some distance from them a large herd of pigs was feeding. 31 The demons begged Jesus, “If you drive us out, send us into the herd of pigs.”

32 He said to them, “Go!” So they came out and went into the pigs, and the whole herd rushed down the steep bank into the lake and died in the water.
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loolalooh said:
Still watching but I have a question as well ...

Do ALL non-believers (e.g., athiests, agnostics, etc.) have demons inside of them or we don't know for sure? I'm thinking that if they don't have the Holy Spirit, then it's the perfect place for a demon to reside. I really don't know ... any thoughts?
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I dont think ALL non-believers have them. Just thinking about when Jesus cast out the demons it was from certain folks even though he dealt with a lot of sinners on a daily basis.

I really dont have any experience with casting out demons but I know they are real from an experience I had as a child (may have shared this before so bear with).
I was about 6 and at our church with my mom and Godmother cleaning it up. It was a nice summer day and the doors were propped open. This pregnant woman comes rushing in the doors breathing hard saying she needs the pastor...pause...ROAR...she's got a demon in her...ROAR! This woman was roaring like a lion. And I dont mean a human imitating a lion, I mean the sound an actual lion at the zoo would make! Our pastor wasnt there so my Godmother took her to the church at the end of the block and they exercised the demon. I didnt see them do it but I will NEVER in my life forget that moment.

Looking back I wonder why my mom and Godmother did not exercise the demon themselves? Is it something that you have to have a certain call for or can anyone do it? Do you have to be prepared or can you immediately call upon the power of the holy ghost to get the job done?

Sometimes I wonder about the authenticity of those possessed...it can seem like a lot of fanfare. But then I remember what I saw and I know its real. But maybe Im not convinced that its a common occurance.
 
CoilyFields said:
I dont think ALL non-believers have them. Just thinking about when Jesus cast out the demons it was from certain folks even though he dealt with a lot of sinners on a daily basis.
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Very true indeed. Thanks.

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CoilyFields said:
I really dont have any experience with casting out demons but I know they are real from an experience I had as a child (may have shared this before so bear with).
I was about 6 and at our church with my mom and Godmother cleaning it up. It was a nice summer day and the doors were propped open. This pregnant woman comes rushing in the doors breathing hard saying she needs the pastor...pause...ROAR...she's got a demon in her...ROAR! This woman was roaring like a lion. And I dont mean a human imitating a lion, I mean the sound an actual lion at the zoo would make! Our pastor wasnt there so my Godmother took her to the church at the end of the block and they exercised the demon. I didnt see them do it but I will NEVER in my life forget that moment.

Looking back I wonder why my mom and Godmother did not exercise the demon themselves? Is it something that you have to have a certain call for or can anyone do it? Do you have to be prepared or can you immediately call upon the power of the holy ghost to get the job done?

Sometimes I wonder about the authenticity of those possessed...it can seem like a lot of fanfare. But then I remember what I saw and I know its real. But maybe Im not convinced that its a common occurance.
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Wow, what an experience. To the bolded, I wonder as well. I'd imagine one's faith has to be STRONG to be involved in an exorcism. Maybe one has to be gifted for such a thing (e.g., gift of healing, gift of faith)? Or maybe any believer can do it? Good questions.
 
Thank you...Im also careful about watching those things on television as well so it makes me cringe to think that he is shopping for a reality show for those girls.

True story: I was obsessed with watching deliverance services by TB joshua on YouTube...my good friend and cousin warned me against this but I continued anyway. Shortly after while napping in my bedroom, a dark shadow appeared to me and I sensed it was a dark presence, and started rebuking it with the Blood Jesus. It eventually backed up and disappeared. Immediately I woke up with my heart beating extremely fast and I knew it was due to those videos. Maybe I invited it in...... Guard your hearts!
 
sweetvi said:
Thank you...Im also careful about watching those things on television as well so it makes me cringe to think that he is shopping for a reality show for those girls.

True story: I was obsessed with watching deliverance services by TB joshua on YouTube...my good friend and cousin warned me against this but I continued anyway. Shortly after while napping in my bedroom, a dark shadow appeared to me and I sensed it was a dark presence, and started rebuking it with the Blood Jesus. It eventually backed up and disappeared. Immediately I woke up with my heart beating extremely fast and I knew it was due to those videos. Maybe I invited it in...... Guard your hearts!
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We think alike.:yep:
 
loolalooh said:
Wow, what an experience. To the bolded, I wonder as well. I'd imagine one's faith has to be STRONG to be involved in an exorcism. Maybe one has to be gifted for such a thing (e.g., gift of healing, gift of faith)? Or maybe any believer can do it? Good questions.
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I agree that your faith would have to be very strong and unwaivering. Because when you are faced with a demon who can tell you about yourself, bring up your flaws/insecurities/fears, make your doubt yourself and God....you'd have to be able to withstand him/her trying to call your bluff.

I think you could probably develop the gift of being an exorcisor or an intercessor by staying in the word and staying covered.
 
Well in the bible, the first devil Jesus ever cast out was in church. So its defintely not limited to non-believers.

ETA: But again, you have to yield to these spirits. That why we can't be entertaining alot of things because it comes with spirits.

I wouldn't say all, but I am sure some.


loolalooh said:
Still watching but I have a question as well ...

Do ALL non-believers (e.g., athiests, agnostics, etc.) have demons inside of them or we don't know for sure? I'm thinking that if they don't have the Holy Spirit, then it's the perfect place for a demon to reside. I really don't know ... any thoughts?
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Well no demon can forcibly(with force) (sp) take control of you. You have to yield yourself unto it.


Romans 6:16
16Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey;


sweetvi said:
My question is this?.when you deliver someone from demons in a room full of people, do they enter another person in that room or can they go into the person doing the deliverance?
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Man I can't remember the name. I think it was on A&E. Im going to see if I can find it for you...It was the little boy writing down how he was being tormented. he would draw pictures and stuff.

But for Sunday, I didn't "see" anything.Her deameanor just changed. I mean she was jumping around, making noises, but after prayer, she was in her right mind.



kweenameena said:
OMGosh, so when the boy wrote down what he felt....was it him writing it or the demon? What's the name of the documentary?

When you all laid hands on the lady at the alter last Sunday, did you see the demon come out or did her demeanor somehow change and then you knew that she was no longer afflicted?
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you suppose to send it/them somewhere, as Jesus sent them into pigs ...send it back from whence it came, send into the abyss or pits of hell ...

but they can go into other people

I would like to add that not all demons are sent somewhere most times Jesus rebuked a demon possessed person, and that was enough..the bible does not say if he had crosses, holy water and a bible just the word ...he also gave the deciples (and now us) power to do the same thing.

Perhaps because there where so many that he sent them into the pigs I believe that the demons said their name was Legion because there were many of them and a legion can be up to 10,000 ...


It's unclear why he granted their request, it could be because they were just as filthy as pigs or because he knew that the pigs would die and so would they but then again the bible does not say...



sweetvi said:
My question is this?.when you deliver someone from demons in a room full of people, do they enter another person in that room or can they go into the person doing the deliverance?
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for those of you are not familiar with the story as I remember the demons requested to be sent into the pigs, the pigs eventually drowned but I can't say that the demons were killed along with the pigs that part is not clear.
 
Iwanthealthyhair67 said:
for those of you are not familiar with the story as I remember the demons requested to be sent into the pigs, the pigs eventually drowned but I can't say that the demons were killed along with the pigs that part is not clear.
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It's not clear, but I wouldn't be surprised if they survived since it was they who drove the pigs into the lake to drown. But yea, it's not clear.
 
Iwanthealthyhair67 said:
for those of you are not familiar with the story as I remember the demons requested to be sent into the pigs, the pigs eventually drowned but I can't say that the demons were killed along with the pigs that part is not clear.
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Can a demon actually die or be killed?
I would think they'd just go back to he11, right?
But since they are spirits they can't really die, right?
 
I'll add my two cents on deliverance and exorcism ...I beleive that they are very, very similar but not the same ...

We would first need to know what is a 'demon' ..and hierachy of demons, how do 'strongholds' come into play.

For an example the bible says that 'bitterness' is a root, if you have seen a tree/plant roots then you know how far reaching and inter-twining roots are and how strong roots can be. So where does bitterness come from is it a demon or stronghold etc., etc., so what will one need if he has bitterness; deliverance or exorcism, kwim?
 
I'm not sure why the girls went on TV with this, someone it comes across as exploited, don't expect that everyone will believe it just that it comes across as another reality show like a Ghost Hunters or something ...
 
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