I know a girl that has claimed she uses both Optimum no lye and Mizani lye at the same time. She says that she uses the Mizani first then rinses it out and uses optimum, I find this very hard to beleive because I learned that once the hair has been wet u cannot apply relaxer to it or else it wont take. The wierdest thing is that this girl has a beautiful head of 4a/b hair that is almost bra strap length, I would think people using this metod of relaxing would have a jacked up head of hair. I find it really hard to beleive her but she told me that she does this on numerous ocassions, I guess this just goes to show us that everyones hair is different and what works for one might not work for the other.It makes me a lil mad to know that she might be doing that and have no problems but the minute I do it Ill be bald headed, Some people can get away with murdering their hair and still have long healthy hair, NOT FAIR!! lol sorry but everytime I think about it I get upset