Oil Must Not Be a Preventive to Red from Henna

[araceli2418]

So I've read some places that if you don't want the color from henna, you should base your hair will oil. So I soaked my hair in Bhringraja Oil. I mixed the henna paste with coconut milk, applied it and left it on for 3 hours. Maybe it was the 3 hours that did it but the 2 gray hairs on my temple are red and last night while I was standing under the light my roommate said she could see the red.

It's not that I have a problem with the red. It's just that I plan to henna once a week and I don't want the red to become overkill.

I was already expecting my hair to be dry but it wasn't so that was a pleasant surprise. My hair was definitely stronger and thicker. Love it.

Anybody have suggestions for the redness? I know there are henna threads but they are a million pages long. I've read some but didn't see anything about preventing the red. I know there's cassia but it didn't give me anywhere near the same results as the henna which I love.

 

[AtlantaJJ]

Henna turns my hair red even when I don't wait the normal 6 - 10 hours for the color to release.... I'd be interested to hear what can be done to stop the color release.

I oil my hair with coconut oil to prevent dryness

I read somewhere that oilve oil prevents good color uptake for those who want it but I think you still get color.

 

[msa]

I don't think you really can stop the color release, from what I've read in my research. The conditioning benefits from henna are a direct result of the dye molecules bonding to the proteins in your hair.

If you don't want as much color you could try putting it on right after you mix and only leaving it on for an hour.

You could try cassia obavata if you don't want any color at all. It's from a different plant, but it's commonly called "neutral henna" because it doesn't leave any color but still has the conditioning effects, they just don't last as long.

 

[araceli2418]

I don't think you really can stop the color release, from what I've read in my research. The conditioning benefits from henna are a direct result of the dye molecules bonding to the proteins in your hair.

If you don't want as much color you could try putting it on right after you mix and only leaving it on for an hour.

You could try cassia obavata if you don't want any color at all. It's from a different, but it's commonly called "neutral henna" because it doesn't leave any color but still has the conditioning effects, they just don't last as long.

Well, I did apply it immediately after mixing but I'll try leaving it on for 1 hour next time. I did try cassia, about 2 or 3 times but I prefer the results from the henna better.

 

[araceli2418]

Any other henna ladies have suggestions?

 

[RedVelvet310]

I use henna right after I mix it and keep it in my hair for only 45 min, I don't think it colours my hair, never really noticed anything but then again I've never really cared anyway. Maybe if you try mixing it with Indigo? (Black henna) to give it a darker, browner colour so if it DOES in fact colour your hair it's just colouring it the same colour as your hair.

 

[araceli2418]

I use henna right after I mix it and keep it in my hair for only 45 min, I don't think it colours my hair, never really noticed anything but then again I've never really cared anyway. Maybe if you try mixing it with Indigo? (Black henna) to give it a darker, browner colour so if it DOES in fact colour your hair it's just colouring it the same colour as your hair.

Yeah, I was thinking I may have to use indigo. I just wondering if there were any other alternatives. Do you still get the thickness and the strength even after just 45 minutes?

 

[RedVelvet310]

Yeah, I was thinking I may have to use indigo. I just wondering if there were any other alternatives. Do you still get the thickness and the strength even after just 45 minutes?

Oh yes . I wrap my hair is saran wrap and then put on one of those foil cholesterol caps. It's in my hair for about 45min to an hour and there little to no colour release (I know because sometimes I get it on my hands, it stains my hands but it's a really light tint)

 

[katblack]

Use lots and lots of honey it seems to do the trick,it inhibits the dying effect by a lot

 

[Ivy Santolina]

Use lots and lots of honey it seems to do the trick,it inhibits the dying effect by a lot

Co-sign on the honey. Glycerin will inhibit the dying effect too.

 

[Urban]

With henna some colour will always be deposited. Cassia is the next best thing. It won't colour black hair, but will colour blond hair and grays.

 

[MummysGirl]

Really? Thanks so much for this... I'll try it out next time I henna (next weekend).

Use lots and lots of honey it seems to do the trick,it inhibits the dying effect by a lot

 

[Eisani]

Use lots and lots of honey it seems to do the trick,it inhibits the dying effect by a lot

Co-sign on the honey. Glycerin will inhibit the dying effect too.

How is this when honey is known to lighten hair over time? If you like to effects of henna but are trying to avoid color release, I agree w/MSA and others who said leave it on for only an hour, but also try adding some conditioner to the henna to retard the dye release as well. I personally wouldn't go over 45 minutes if I'm trying to avoid color. 3 hours just seems to be asking for trouble.

 

[MummysGirl]

Thanks... I still haven't tried adding conditioner to my henna, I add Amla powder (It's a conditioner, I think) but I still leave it in my hair for 3 hours!
I'll try one hour next time and see if my hair feels the same cos I use henna because of how it makes my hair feel.

thank you.

How is this when honey is known to lighten hair over time? If you like to effects of henna but are trying to avoid color release, I agree w/MSA and others who said leave it on for only an hour, but also try adding some conditioner to the henna to retard the dye release as well. I personally wouldn't go over 45 minutes if I'm trying to avoid color. 3 hours just seems to be asking for trouble.

 

[katblack]

How is this when honey is known to lighten hair over time? If you like to effects of henna but are trying to avoid color release, I agree w/MSA and others who said leave it on for only an hour, but also try adding some conditioner to the henna to retard the dye release as well. I personally wouldn't go over 45 minutes if I'm trying to avoid color. 3 hours just seems to be asking for trouble.

Honey retards the dying effects, I saw it with my own eyes on long hair community. They did an extensive experiment and when honey was added the dying effects were greatly crippled.
As for the lightening point of honey, well I really can't see that being an issue if you have dark/black hair.I have seen no studies on honey lightening dark hair over time. (I do honey rinses at least 5 times a week)

 

[Ivy Santolina]

Anybody have suggestions for the redness? I know there are henna threads but they are a million pages long. I've read some but didn't see anything about preventing the red. I know there's cassia but it didn't give me anywhere near the same results as the henna which I love.

I thought about your question again after my initial post and I did remember that the henna dye will demise after a period of time.

Another alternative is to mix the henna with boiling water to force a quick dye release then wait a few hours prior to applying it to your hair. By that time the redness should drastically reduce and your hair should not stain.

Here's a link from the hennaforhair web-site showing a chart on how long it takes for the dye to release and demise depending on the temperature. http://www.hennapage.com/henna/how/dyerelease.html

How is this when honey is known to lighten hair over time? If you like to effects of henna but are trying to avoid color release, I agree w/MSA and others who said leave it on for only an hour, but also try adding some conditioner to the henna to retard the dye release as well. I personally wouldn't go over 45 minutes if I'm trying to avoid color. 3 hours just seems to be asking for trouble.

I've read that raw honey will lighten the hair over time. I believe it's because of the active enzymes. I don't use raw honey in my hair only the pasturized kind in my weekly DC. I never noticed any lightening of the strands but that may be b/c I hendigo my hair to keep the gray covered.

 

[Eisani]

I thought about your question again after my initial post and I did remember that the henna dye will demise after a period of time.

Another alternative is to mix the henna with boiling water to force a quick dye release then wait a few hours prior to applying it to your hair. By that time the redness should drastically reduce and your hair should not stain.

Here's a link from the hennaforhair web-site showing a chart on how long it takes for the dye to release and demise depending on the temperature. http://www.hennapage.com/henna/how/dyerelease.html



I've read that raw honey will lighten the hair over time. I believe it's because of the active enzymes. I don't use raw honey in my hair only the pasturized kind in my weekly DC. I never noticed any lightening of the strands but that may be b/c I hendigo my hair to keep the gray covered.

Maybe that's the real difference, raw vs. pasteurized. As far as water temp and all that goes, I've seen that before.

 

[Eisani]

Honey retards the dying effects, I saw it with my own eyes on long hair community. They did an extensive experiment and when honey was added the dying effects were greatly crippled.
As for the lightening point of honey, well I really can't see that being an issue if you have dark/black hair.I have seen no studies on honey lightening dark hair over time. (I do honey rinses at least 5 times a week)

As we already know, different things effect others differently. OP, do some experimenting to find what works for you.
This is also on LHC:

From the Honey Article - hopefully archived.

"When some members of the Long Hair Community (LHC) commented that honey treatments had lightened their hair colour, when left on the hair for long periods of time to condition it, the Honey threads were started to determine what variables are necessary for honey to lighten hair and if the process causes hair damage.

Information was obtained from published reports on honey and LHC members were invited to provide feedback and input from their experiences using honey for the purpose of lightening their hair colour.

What follows is the culmination of months of research, analysis, discussion, and input from LHC members, who provided the pictures and recipes in this article.

Honey can lighten virgin, colour-treated and hennaed hair.
When diluted, honey slowly releases the bleaching agent hydrogen peroxide, but the amount released is substantially less than the 3% or 10 volume hydrogen peroxide sold in stores. Honey actually reduces the harmful effects of the peroxide it generates by subverting oxygen free radicals (Reference 1).

There have been no reports to date of multiple honey lightening treatments having a negative effect or damaging hair.

This is consistent with and supported by evidence that honey, applied as a moist dressing to open wounds, does not damage tissue when diluted with wound fluids (Reference 2).

The recommended time a treatment is left on the hair varies from 1-8 hours. If the minimum time of 1 hour is chosen, the treatment will need to be repeated. The results can be gradual.

Individual results can vary due to several factors: a person’s hair history, which can include product build-up or residue; whether the hair is hennaed, multiple applications of henna; the peroxide value of the honey; the recipe and method; and how often the treatment is used.

While some types of honey produce less hydrogen peroxide than others (References 2 and 5), various types of both raw and the less expensive pasteurized honeys were found to work equally well.

Conclusion
A honey lightening treatment can lighten hair colour when the honey in it is diluted to produce hydrogen peroxide and the proper timing is used.

The success of the treatment is affected by the method and ingredients of the recipe used with the honey, frequency of use, and products on the hair of the individual using the treatment.

The treatments have not been reported to cause hair damage even after repeated use for long periods of time.

When the instructions are followed, it is possible to lighten hair colour from approximately .5 of a shade to more than 1 shade."


Here are links from inside the first post of this thread.

Preferred list of Conditioners and Recipes.
http://chatter.thebeautybottle.com/s...26&postcount=1

More on method
http://chatter.thebeautybottle.com/s...58&postcount=8

Microwaving honey - for those who do not want to lighten
http://chatter.thebeautybottle.com/s...55&postcount=7


From the Honey Article - Credits
A special note of thanks: to Maluhia, for the first honey lightening recipe for 1 hour with vinegar rinse; Viviane, for creating the first honey, tomato lightening recipe; Joliebaby, for altering the first honey, tomato lightening recipe; iris, for the first honey, amla, cassia, hibiscus lightening recipe; and everyone who gave their feedback, pictures and time.


From the Honey Article - References
1. Peter Charles Molan: (2001) Hydrogen peroxide activity. Honey as a topical antibacterial agent for treatment of infected wounds. http://www.worldwidewounds.com/2001/...cal-agent.html

2. Waikato Honey Research Unit: (2006) 2.1.3 Hydrogen Peroxide, 2.2 Variation in Antibacterial Activity, 3.2.2 Importance of Antibacterial Activity. Honey as an Antimicrobial Agent. http://bio.waikato.ac.nz/honey/honey...shtml#Hydrogen

3. J.R. Bell and P.N. Gillatt: (1994) Peroxide value (PV). Standards to ensure the authenticity of edible oils and fats. http://www.fao.org/DOCREP/T4660T/t4660t0e.htm

4. ACSH staff, directors, and scientific advisors, Dr. Ruth Kava, Dr. Leonard Flynn: (2004) Cherry Tomatoes. Holiday Dinner Menu. http://www.acsh.org/publications/pub...pub_detail.asp

5. Airborne Honey Ltd: (1999) Glucose Oxidase. Honey Enzymes. http://www.airborne.co.nz/Enzymes.html

6. R. Mohamed, J. Fernández, M. Pineda, M. Aguilar: (2007) Roselle (Hibiscus sabdariffa) Seed Oil Is a Rich Source of γ-Tocopherol. Journal of Food Science 72 (3), S207–S211. doi:10.1111/j.1750-3841.2007.00285.x
http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi...1.2007.00285.x

7. Dan Culbert: (2005) Red leafed hibiscus for easy color. UF/IFAS Okeechobee County Extension Service.
http://okeechobee.ifas.ufl.edu/News%...%20Roselle.htm

8. J.G. Ohler, Peter Griffee, Per Diemer: (1999) Coconut Milk or Cream. Modern
Coconut Management; palm cultivation products.
http://ecoport.org/ep?SearchType=ear...27&page=1420##

9. EK Ankrah: (1998 ) Shelf life studies of oil samples of coconut (Cocos nucifera) in Ghana. Ghana Jnl agric. Sci. Vol. 31 (1) 127-129.
http://www.ajol.info/viewarticle.php?id=16064

 

[200AndOne]

I could be wrong, but I think using the coconut milk in your mix could be part of the 'problem.' I believe coconut milk is acidic and a higher acid content intensifies the dye release.

 

[katblack]

As we already know, different things effect others differently. OP, do some experimenting to find what works for you.
This is also on LHC:

From the Honey Article - hopefully archived.

"When some members of the Long Hair Community (LHC) commented that honey treatments had lightened their hair colour, when left on the hair for long periods of time to condition it, the Honey threads were started to determine what variables are necessary for honey to lighten hair and if the process causes hair damage.

Information was obtained from published reports on honey and LHC members were invited to provide feedback and input from their experiences using honey for the purpose of lightening their hair colour.

What follows is the culmination of months of research, analysis, discussion, and input from LHC members, who provided the pictures and recipes in this article.

Honey can lighten virgin, colour-treated and hennaed hair.
When diluted, honey slowly releases the bleaching agent hydrogen peroxide, but the amount released is substantially less than the 3% or 10 volume hydrogen peroxide sold in stores. Honey actually reduces the harmful effects of the peroxide it generates by subverting oxygen free radicals (Reference 1).

There have been no reports to date of multiple honey lightening treatments having a negative effect or damaging hair.

This is consistent with and supported by evidence that honey, applied as a moist dressing to open wounds, does not damage tissue when diluted with wound fluids (Reference 2).

The recommended time a treatment is left on the hair varies from 1-8 hours. If the minimum time of 1 hour is chosen, the treatment will need to be repeated. The results can be gradual.

Individual results can vary due to several factors: a person’s hair history, which can include product build-up or residue; whether the hair is hennaed, multiple applications of henna; the peroxide value of the honey; the recipe and method; and how often the treatment is used.

While some types of honey produce less hydrogen peroxide than others (References 2 and 5), various types of both raw and the less expensive pasteurized honeys were found to work equally well.

Conclusion
A honey lightening treatment can lighten hair colour when the honey in it is diluted to produce hydrogen peroxide and the proper timing is used.

The success of the treatment is affected by the method and ingredients of the recipe used with the honey, frequency of use, and products on the hair of the individual using the treatment.

The treatments have not been reported to cause hair damage even after repeated use for long periods of time.

When the instructions are followed, it is possible to lighten hair colour from approximately .5 of a shade to more than 1 shade."


Here are links from inside the first post of this thread.

Preferred list of Conditioners and Recipes.
http://chatter.thebeautybottle.com/s...26&postcount=1

More on method
http://chatter.thebeautybottle.com/s...58&postcount=8

Microwaving honey - for those who do not want to lighten
http://chatter.thebeautybottle.com/s...55&postcount=7


From the Honey Article - Credits
A special note of thanks: to Maluhia, for the first honey lightening recipe for 1 hour with vinegar rinse; Viviane, for creating the first honey, tomato lightening recipe; Joliebaby, for altering the first honey, tomato lightening recipe; iris, for the first honey, amla, cassia, hibiscus lightening recipe; and everyone who gave their feedback, pictures and time.


From the Honey Article - References
1. Peter Charles Molan: (2001) Hydrogen peroxide activity. Honey as a topical antibacterial agent for treatment of infected wounds. http://www.worldwidewounds.com/2001/...cal-agent.html

2. Waikato Honey Research Unit: (2006) 2.1.3 Hydrogen Peroxide, 2.2 Variation in Antibacterial Activity, 3.2.2 Importance of Antibacterial Activity. Honey as an Antimicrobial Agent. http://bio.waikato.ac.nz/honey/honey...shtml#Hydrogen

3. J.R. Bell and P.N. Gillatt: (1994) Peroxide value (PV). Standards to ensure the authenticity of edible oils and fats. http://www.fao.org/DOCREP/T4660T/t4660t0e.htm

4. ACSH staff, directors, and scientific advisors, Dr. Ruth Kava, Dr. Leonard Flynn: (2004) Cherry Tomatoes. Holiday Dinner Menu. http://www.acsh.org/publications/pub...pub_detail.asp

5. Airborne Honey Ltd: (1999) Glucose Oxidase. Honey Enzymes. http://www.airborne.co.nz/Enzymes.html

6. R. Mohamed, J. Fernández, M. Pineda, M. Aguilar: (2007) Roselle (Hibiscus sabdariffa) Seed Oil Is a Rich Source of γ-Tocopherol. Journal of Food Science 72 (3), S207–S211. doi:10.1111/j.1750-3841.2007.00285.x
http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi...1.2007.00285.x

7. Dan Culbert: (2005) Red leafed hibiscus for easy color. UF/IFAS Okeechobee County Extension Service.
http://okeechobee.ifas.ufl.edu/News%...%20Roselle.htm

8. J.G. Ohler, Peter Griffee, Per Diemer: (1999) Coconut Milk or Cream. Modern
Coconut Management; palm cultivation products.
http://ecoport.org/ep?SearchType=ear...27&page=1420##

9. EK Ankrah: (1998 ) Shelf life studies of oil samples of coconut (Cocos nucifera) in Ghana. Ghana Jnl agric. Sci. Vol. 31 (1) 127-129.
http://www.ajol.info/viewarticle.php?id=16064

Honey lightens light colored hair, so if your hair is light in color it will(if even noticably) lighten. I have henna'd hair and I do honey rinses and use honey (raw) in deep treatments and my hair has not lightened a bit. When you do the henna it will be rinsed out along with the honey so why would lightening continue to occur?
This is interesting I want to do some more research on honey and see if I can get it to lighten my hair, off to buy a huge tub of honey

 

[Eisani]

This is so interesting!

 

[nurseN98]

Has anyone heard about "cooking" the henna or using boiling water to inhibit the dye release? Everything i've read says not to use boiling water or the color won't be as vibrant. it seems as if you still should get the conditioning effects though.

 

[araceli2418]

Thank you very much, ladies. This is all helpful.

 

[msa]

I'm a bit confused ladies. From what I understand, the conditioning benefits of henna are due to the dye molecules penetrating the hair strand and binding to the hair proteins.

So if you let your henna demise or try to stop the dying effects, aren't you also stopping the conditioning effects as well?

 

[Ivy Santolina]

I'm a bit confused ladies. From what I understand, the conditioning benefits of henna are due to the dye molecules penetrating the hair strand and binding to the hair proteins.

So if you let your henna demise or try to stop the dying effects, aren't you also stopping the conditioning effects as well?

You asked a good question. Personally, I didn't notice a difference. I've used old henna where my gray hair did not stain but I still noticed the conditioning benefit. I left pre-mixed henna in the freezer too long and I used it anyway because I hate throwing stuff away. I was also curious as to how it would affect my hair. My gloves didn't stain either. They ended up being unnecessary.