info; great start for newbies or anyone who wants to add to their journal(s)

DivaD04 · Jun 21, 2008

Okay somebody has been on lhcf once or twice...lol But I was looking for one thing and found another. I don't see this person listed as a member but they have a laudry list of info all panned out. If anyone wanted to write/add stuff to their folder of informationn for future refernce or to give to a friend in need, check this out, it's from black hair media, this girl has listed some very good stuff.

http://forum.blackhairmedia.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=104988&PN=1

winnettag · Jun 21, 2008

Wow. It must have taken her forever to do that. That's a WHOLE lotta information! Very helpful for newbies.

DivaD04 · Jun 21, 2008

that's what i thought when i seen this. i was like dang she had time on her hands...lol but i really do hope it help some newbies out.

metalkitty · Jun 21, 2008

Hmmm, the link isn't working for me. I get this:

Server Error in Forum Application
An error has occured while executing SQL query on database.
Please contact the forum administrator.

Support Error Code:- err_SQLServer_get_topic_posts_data
File Name:- forum_posts.asp

Error details:-
Microsoft OLE DB Provider for SQL Server
Timeout expired

DivaD04 · Jun 21, 2008

really wow it's doing the same thing...sorry let me see what's up

Update: I think their site may be down, I went to it directly and when I clicke on discussion board, I got the same messege.

Jazala · Jun 21, 2008

It's back up now. Great thread :yep:

25Nona · Jun 21, 2008

Thanks for posting :yawn:

, she has a lot of really good stuff in there.

DivaD04 · Jun 21, 2008

ur welcome

Eisani · Jun 21, 2008

I think I've seen her in my Fotki before...name rings a bell. It also reminded me to go crush up some B12's and add them to my conditioner.

DivaD04 · Jun 22, 2008

Eisani said:
I think I've seen her in my Fotki before...name rings a bell. It also reminded me to go crush up some B12's and add them to my conditioner.[/quote]

Eisani what about b-complex? i have some that i don't take

Eisani · Jun 22, 2008

DivaD04 said:
Eisani said:

I think I've seen her in my Fotki before...name rings a bell. It also reminded me to go crush up some B12's and add them to my conditioner.[/quote]

Eisani what about b-complex? i have some that i don't take

Click to expand...

I got this from the Dominicans...crushing up B12 vitamins and adding them to your poo and/or con for growth. Emih confirmed that info in her LOOONNNG post. Her post said that B12 is said to extend your growth phase. I didn't realize until fairly recently that that's what probably boosted my spurt last fall; B12s and peppermint EO in all of my conditioners.

DivaD04 · Jun 23, 2008

Eisani said:
I got this from the Dominicans...crushing up B12 vitamins and adding them to your poo and/or con for growth. Emih confirmed that info in her LOOONNNG post. Her post said that B12 is said to extend your growth phase. I didn't realize until fairly recently that that's what probably boosted my spurt last fall; B12s and peppermint EO in all of my conditioners.

Eisani, i always have one but not the other, i guess i'll have to start somewhere, hmm, i do have a motar..i'll have to put it to work! i'm going to try it. have u ever heard of using depo(da shot) in ur co. i remember in beauty school, alot of the hispanic chics would talk about using it. they'd go down to TJ and buy the vials and toss in their co or poo and said it was to grow ur hair. i've never went down there to get any to try but that was one of their things...'03 they would always speak of.

Hairsofab · Jun 23, 2008

Thanks for that link. Great info. :yep:

lilsparkle825 · Jun 23, 2008

Eisani said:
I got this from the Dominicans...crushing up B12 vitamins and adding them to your poo and/or con for growth. Emih confirmed that info in her LOOONNNG post. Her post said that B12 is said to extend your growth phase. I didn't realize until fairly recently that that's what probably boosted my spurt last fall; B12s and peppermint EO in all of my conditioners.

first...really informative thread. i had to bookmark that one.

i think it's littlegoldlamb who talks about crushing biotin tablets like this if you have negative side effects from it. between you and her i'm about to spike some stuff.

how long did it take for you to see results? taking them internally takes like 2 months right?

Eisani · Jun 23, 2008

DivaD04 said:
Eisani, i always have one but not the other, i guess i'll have to start somewhere, hmm, i do have a motar..i'll have to put it to work! i'm going to try it. have u ever heard of using depo(da shot) in ur co. i remember in beauty school, alot of the hispanic chics would talk about using it. they'd go down to TJ and buy the vials and toss in their co or poo and said it was to grow ur hair. i've never went down there to get any to try but that was one of their things...'03 they would always speak of.

I've heard this before, as well as crushed up BC pills for growth. I ain't doin that though, I'd rather put it to its intended use. Can't risk another baby for the sake of longer hair :ohwell:

how long did it take for you to see results? taking them internally takes like 2 months right? [/quote]

I don't really pay attention to my hair until someone else comments so I'm not sure how long it took to see results. I just remember family and coworkers saying how my hair was growing like weeds. As far as taking the pills internally, it usually does take 6-8 weeks to begin to see results. I can never take anything long enough to see if it works. That's why spiking my products works best for me.

DivaD04 · Jun 23, 2008

Eisani said:
I've heard this before, as well as crushed up BC pills for growth. I ain't doin that though, I'd rather put it to its intended use. Can't risk another baby for the sake of longer hair

how long did it take for you to see results? taking them internally takes like 2 months right?

I don't really pay attention to my hair until someone else comments so I'm not sure how long it took to see results. I just remember family and coworkers saying how my hair was growing like weeds. As far as taking the pills internally, it usually does take 6-8 weeks to begin to see results. I can never take anything long enough to see if it works. That's why spiking my products works best for me.[/quote]

out of 60 tablets (2mths) i have 18 left plus i was taking biotin (i threw those away a while back), women's complete and I did not see any difference so i quit taking them. unlike the ones from walmart i can take them and i'll notice a month later. so i powdered 10 b-complex tabs this morning and tossed it in a bottle of co and cow'd. i left the co on and showered b4 rinsing it out. is this about how long you leave it in?

ETA: not to mention getting caught w/o a prescription to bring bc over in the US just for hair...this is why I never tried it, I never thought about asking the girls for some. And I never thought about crushing BC pills. Hey I had a 6th supply and tossed them out w/o thinking to keep them.

Eisani · Jun 23, 2008

I put the tabs in all of my conditioners; Dcs and quickies for CW's so the length of time it stays on my head varies. The number of pills I use is determined by the size of the bottle/jar. How big was the bottle you put 10 tabs in?

DivaD04 · Jun 23, 2008

Eisani said:
I put the tabs in all of my conditioners; Dcs and quickies for CW's so the length of time it stays on my head varies. The number of pills I use is determined by the size of the bottle/jar. How big was the bottle you put 10 tabs in?

it's about 14fl oz....i had to check other bottles cuz i don't understand 400ml, i was like let me find an american bottle...lol so 10 tabs in a 14 fl oz bottle of co

slim_thick · Jun 23, 2008

Wow! Very detailed. Thanks a lot of sharing. I think this will really help me.

slim_thick · Jun 23, 2008

DivaD04 said:
I don't really pay attention to my hair until someone else comments so I'm not sure how long it took to see results. I just remember family and coworkers saying how my hair was growing like weeds. As far as taking the pills internally, it usually does take 6-8 weeks to begin to see results. I can never take anything long enough to see if it works. That's why spiking my products works best for me.

out of 60 tablets (2mths) i have 18 left plus i was taking biotin (i threw those away a while back), women's complete and I did not see any difference so i quit taking them. unlike the ones from walmart i can take them and i'll notice a month later. so i powdered 10 b-complex tabs this morning and tossed it in a bottle of co and cow'd. i left the co on and showered b4 rinsing it out. is this about how long you leave it in?

ETA: not to mention getting caught w/o a prescription to bring bc over in the US just for hair...this is why I never tried it, I never thought about asking the girls for some. And I never thought about crushing BC pills. Hey I had a 6th supply and tossed them out w/o thinking to keep them.[/quote]

Hi , Question, does it matter what brand of b12 I use or will the walmart brand work just fine?

Lucky's Mom · Jun 23, 2008

Yup Emih is faithful to BHM as a great contributing member.
she is wonderful.

DivaD04 · Jun 23, 2008

slim_thick said:
Hi , Question, does it matter what brand of b12 I use or will the walmart brand work just fine?

walmart brand is fine...any brand is okay uless u have a preference.
i'm glad u found her post useful. that's why i brought it over here b/c she did a good job being thorough.

usually when i'm in the states i like the hair skin n nails...ya'll know the pink box.

DivaD04 · Jun 23, 2008

To sum it up - the pros and cons of cones, which might or might not be true for everyone:
Pro:
- provides slip
- prevents tangles and breakage as a result
- makes the hair shiny
- locks moisture into the hair
Contra:
- is likely to build up on the hair
- cannot be removed without detergents
- can lock moisture out of the hair (obviously...)
- might not work for everyone

To use cones or not frequently ends up in heated discussions (not here of course!) where one side wins and the other loses. But, as is everything in hair care, it is completely up to you and what your hair likes - there is no ultimate answer which is true for everyone!
Maybe you prefer oils, maybe you prefer cones and maybe you like to use both, alternating or together. Don't be scared away from either one by people who don't like oils/cones for various reasons.
Comparison shot thread:
http://forum.blackhairmedia.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=109907&PN=1
Cowashing thread:
http://forum.blackhairmedia.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=26676
Stretchers thread:
http://forum.blackhairmedia.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=111914&PID=1806661#1806661
Ayurvedic hair care:
http://forum.blackhairmedia.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=112004&KW=
Hair coloring 101:
http://forum.blackhairmedia.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=112009&KW=
Getting rid of lice:
http://forum.blackhairmedia.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=112005
Promoting hair growth:
http://forum.blackhairmedia.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=111915&PID=1808669#1808669
Damage hair facts:
http://forum.blackhairmedia.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=112017&PN=1
Drying products:
http://forum.blackhairmedia.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=111990&KW=
Protective hairstyles:
http://forum.blackhairmedia.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=82686&KW=
Chelating and clarifying:
http://forum.blackhairmedia.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=113641&KW=

DivaD04 · Jun 23, 2008

Article
One of the first things an aspiring longhair learns is that s/he is using cones. "Huh What? What are cones?" might be one of the first question the (wannabe) longhair asks.
Cone is short for silicone - not to be confused with silicon (esp. important for our foreign members)! Silicones actually consist of silicon, but I'm not going to get more chemical than that.
Silicone refers to a group of chemicals which are very commonly used in beauty products, be it your face cream or your hair conditioner. They are hydrophobic, are used as sealants and to provide slip. Those of you who have tried a drugstore face cream (usually with silicones) and an organic cream in comparison know the difference.

Silicones come in different types and their names reflect the different chemical structures they can have. In the ingredient list, one can identify silicones usually rather easily. They are called "Amodimethicone", "Dimethicone", etc. and now you can see why they are often abbreviated with "cone". But a "Cyclopenthasiloxane" or a "Dimethiconol" can be a cone too. Those are the cones most commonly used and if a product doesn't contain one of them, it is likely that it doesn't contain any cones at all. There are other cones which, unfortunately, don't have as easy names, but since I can't find reliable sources I won't add them here. There is also a claim that says that there are "water soluble" and "non water soluble" cones but again, since I don't have reliable sources and since I wonder how "water soluble cones" are supposed to work, I omit that too.
Different cones have different qualities I'm not going into here either, but I wanted to mention that.
Guess you have to ask a chemist for all that...

The second thing an aspirant longhair learns is that cones are the evil. Usually, the advice goes along the lines of: "You are using [insert popular drugstore brand here], which is full of cones - you should switch to products without them".
Aspirant longhairs do that and their results usually are pretty good with their new routine. The tale about the cone-devil is therefore true.
Is it?
Usually the people do change more than just their products, so the good results they see afterwards are not necessarily caused by the fact that they now stopped using cones but because of many different factors which all benefit the health of the hair. Still, many many people believe in the evil of the cones and it causes quite a bit confusion among wannabe longhairs which is why I write this article in the first place.

To understand the thing with the cones, one has to know what cones are designed for and what they do.
Cones are widely popular and can be found in a very large selection of hair care products. They have many different purposes. In shampoos, they help provide slip, so it gets easier to massage the shampoo in. In conditioners, they help with detangling the hair, keeping static down and preventing breakage by smoothing down the surface of the hair which also provides shine.
It is also said that cones are able to glue split ends (temporarily!) back together.

Sounds good, doesn't it? Where's the catch?
The problem with silicones is the fact that they aren't water soluble. It varies a bit from cone to cone, but as far as I know, all require a detergent of some kind to get removed from the hair. Some cones might require a sulfate shampoo for that, other can get removed with milder cleansers as well. It seems that this is depends on the hair itself a bit, but as you surely know, when you want to grow your hair long, it is recommended that you stop using shampoo on the length of your hair. Therefore the silicones don't get removed anymore, since only water or conditioners aren’t strong enough. If you now keep applying cones to the hair, you'll inevitably get "build-up". The cones build up (hence the name) on the hair and will lock out moisture from the hair shaft. The hair will dry out, gets tangly and dull - just what you didn't want! Some people also claim that silicones "hide" the damage you are doing to your locks, so you don't know how bad it actually is until it is too late. I don't believe that, but I don't want to conceal that I'm in a minority with that.

So cones are evil after all!?
Well, the answer isn't quite as easy.
The speed in which the cones will build up on the hair varies greatly from person to person and from the products used (amount of silicones in them / type of silicone - -remember, the higher an ingredient stands on the ingredient list, the more of it it contains). For me, it takes ages - I think about 6 months or so. For other people, one application is enough and their hair is gunky.
Also, if you get build up it doesn't mean that you have to stop using cones for good - you can usually clarify the hair (for instructions how to do this look through the forums) and all is well again.

The direct opponents of the silicones are (vegetable) oils. Oils are very popular among long haired people because they address the disadvantages of the silicones. Oils can build up on the hair too, but 1) you'll notice that right away (because your hair is greasy) and 2) oils are very easy to remove. Depending on the kind of oil (lighter oils are easier, heavier oils are harder to remove) all it takes is a good CO and the build up is gone, which is much easier on the hair than clarifying it.
Still, some people report problems when using oils. The hair gets crunchy and dry instead of soft and silky. I suspect that the application on dry hair is the problem here - the hair itself doesn't have enough moisture in it and the oil locks further moisture out. In contrast to that, silicones are usually applied on wet hair, so it is ensured that there is plenty of moisture which is locked in. Still, on some people's hair, even the application on damp/wet hair does no good.

DivaD04 · Jun 23, 2008

Cones
Cones List
Key:
Water SolubleSomewhat Water SolubleNot Water Soluble
Solubility Unknown
Amodimethicone- Trimethylsilylamodimethicone- A non-curable amine silicone fluid for hair care products and decorative cosmetics. Provides water resistance.
Amodimethicone (&) C11-15 Pareth-7 (&) Laureth-9 (&) Glycerin (&) Trideceth-12-
An amine functional micro-emulsion for clear, aqueous-based hair products.
Amodimethicone (&) Trideceth-12 (&) Cetrimonium Chloride- Cationic emulsion for hair conditioning.
Behenoxy DimethiconeBisamino PEG/PPG-41/3 Aminoethyl PG-Propyl Dimethicone- Provides excellent hair conditioning without build-up. Ideal for use in products designed to treat color, perm, sun and heat-damaged hair.
Bis-Phenylpropyl Dimethicone- A colourless silicone fluid with high RI, low viscosity and volatility, shine enhancement and luxurious feel.
C30-45 Alkyl Dimethicone- Superior compatibility with both silicones and organics. Can be used as a thickening agent which gives a unique silky skin feel.
Cetearyl Methicone- A soft, waxy material; excellent lubricity and spreadability.
Cetyl Dimethicone- Occlusive film forming for skin conditioners.
Cetyl PEG/PPG-15/15 Butyl Ether Dimethicone- A silicone emulsifier for use in the preparation of water-in-oil emulsions. Also offers good emulsification of paraffin oils and vegetable triglycerides.
Cyclomethicone (&) PEG/PPG-20/15 Dimethicone- For formulating water-in-oil emulsions, particularly water-in-silicone emulsions. Excellent aesthetics.
Cyclopentasiloxane- Cyclomethicone D5- Provides improved efficacy in antiperspirants and wet combing in hair conditioners.
Cyclopentasiloxane (&) C30-45 Alkyl Cetearyl Dimethicone Crosspolymer- Provides a unique feeling during rub-in followed by a soft powdery feel for an extended period. Ideal for cream to powder formulations.
Cyclopentasiloxane (&) Cyclohexasiloxane- Available in three different proportions offering low viscosity, a relatively high volatility and a cyclic structure.
Cyclopentasiloxane (&) Dimethicone- The basis for hair serums. Conditioning without build up.
Cyclopentasiloxane (&) Dimethicone/Vinyldimethicone Crosspolymer- An elastomer dispersion resulting in a smooth, highly viscous gel with a unique silky feel on application.
Cyclopentasiloxane (&) Dimethiconol- Provides a smooth, velvety feel without greasiness. Useful for skincare and hair conditioning.
Cyclopentasiloxane (&) Trimethylsiloxysilicate- Silicone resin blended with Cyclopentasiloxane. Provides water resistance.
Cyclotetrasiloxane- Cyclomethicone D4- A volatile silicone for improving skin feel in applications such as anti-perspirants.
DEA PG-Propyl PEG/PPG-18/21 Dimethicone- Enhances the performance of shampoos and conditioners with improved gloss, manageability and moisturizing properties.
Diisostearoyl Trimethylolpropane Siloxy Silicate- Highly substantive to skin, has good lubricity and spreadability. Compatible with organic oils and waxes.
Dimethicone CopolyolDimethicone (&) Laureth-4 (&) Laureth-23- Non-ionic silicone emulsion for 2-in-1 shampoos.
Dimethicone (&) Trimethylsiloxysilicate- Water resistant, non-tacky film, ideal for sun screens.
Dimethicone (from 1 to 1,000,000 cs)- The original silicone 'oil'. A complete range is available from the highly mobile 1-20 cs, the popular 50-500 cs and the heavier 1,000-1,000,000 cs.
Dimethiconol (&) Sodium Dodecylbenzenesulphonate- An anionic emulsion for leave-in hair products. Disperses well in aqueous preparations and gives the hair good texture.
Diphenyl Dimethicone- A heat-resistant silicone with good film-forming properties. Used as a skin conditioning and anti foaming agent.
Disiloxane- Volatile replacement for ethanol in APs and aerosols.
Hydrolyzed wheat protein/hydroxypropyl polysiloxane and cystine/silicone co-polymers- A combination of protein and silicones that posses a complex polymeric structure which cross-links on drying to form a conditioning and protective network providing protection against blow drying and heating. They also protect the hair against environmental pollutants as well as mechanical damage and can aid temporary repair of split ends.
Lauryl Methicone Copolyol
PCA Dimethicone- Functional over a broad pH range and offers excellent smoothing, conditioning and emolliency properties in many different applications.
PEG/PPG-20/15 Dimethicone- Previously referred to as Dimethicone Copolyol. A very versatile, water soluble polyether modified silicone for use in skin and hair products.
PEG-12 Dimethicone- Previously referred to as Dimethicone Copolyol. A very versatile, water soluble polyether modified silicone for use in skin and hair products.
Phenyl Trimethicone- A very popular high gloss silicone for spray-on hair products. Also provides emolliency and water repellency in skin care products.
Polysilicone-18 Cetyl Phosphate- Color-retaining conditioner for hair products. Also offers thermal protection and a slick, soft after-feel. Excellent solubility and compatibility with most surfactants.
Silicone Resin Spheres (2, 5 & 6 micron) - Fine, white spherical particles give slip and lubricity in pressed and loose powders.
Simethicone- A mixture of Dimethicone and hydrated silica, used as an antifoaming agent. Available in two grades.
Stearoxy DimethiconeStearyl DimethiconeTrimethylsiloxysilicate- A solid silicone resin for decorative cosmetics. Provides water resistance.
Trisiloxane- Anti foaming and skin conditioning agent

DivaD04 · Jun 23, 2008

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DivaD04 · Jun 23, 2008

How to flatiron:
http://forum.blackhairmedia.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=82655How to do pincurls video:
http://video.fotki.com/eve0287/
Fotki tutorials:
Self-relaxing in sections:
Londondiva
http://public.fotki.com/LondonDiva/
Rollersetting:
Macherieamour
http://members.fotki.com/macherieamour/
Partial Baggie:
Serenity Breeze (Happy Birthday SB!)
http://public.fotki.com/SerenityBreeze/
Self-trimming:
Southerngirl
http://public.fotki.com/SouthernGirlz/
Bantu knots:
Southerngirl
http://public.fotki.com/SouthernGirlz/
Pin curls:
Mars_Reiko
http://video.fotki.com/eve0287/
protective styles
Crlsweetie912
http://www.longhaircareforum.com/for...=1#post2176179
6 month stretch
SYLVER2
http://public.fotki.com/sylver2/
Maxiglide & Blowdrying
SYLVER2
http://public.fotki.com/sylver2/
donut bun
Sistaslick
www.fotki.com/sistaslick/
faux bob without scissors (protective style)
Sistaslick
www.fotki.com/sistaslick/
bun with shorter hair
Dontspeakdefeat
www.fotki.com/dontspeakdefeat/
bagging method
Dontspeakdefeat
www.fotki.com/dontspeakdefeat/
roll method for trimming
Dontspeakdefeat
www.fotki.com/dontspeakdefeat/
kinky twists
Sareca
http://public.fotki.com/Serica/
Twistout
Babygurl
http://public.fotki.com/BabygurlNC/
Wet Look
Babygurl
http://public.fotki.com/BabygurlNC/
Saran Wrap Treatment
Pre-pooing Hot Towel Treatment
Wrapping Your Hair
Blowing out your roots post roller set
Macherieamour
http://healthytextures.typepad.com/

DivaD04 · Jun 23, 2008

http://forum.blackhairmedia.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=21821

DivaD04 · Jun 23, 2008

The Products

Great Moisturizing ShampoosCreme of Nature Ultra Moisturizing Shampoo (Green and Yellow)
Neutrogena Triple Moisture Cream Lather Shampoo
Nexxus Therapy Shampoo
ORS Creamy Aloe Shampoo
Great Conditioners
ORS Replenishing Pak/Conditioner (Moisture & light protein)
Aussie 3 minute Miracle Deep Moisture Treatment (Moisture)
Aubrey Organics Honeysuckle Rose Conditioner (Moisture)
Suave Humectants (Moisture)
Nexxus Hydra Sleek (Moisture)
KeraCare Humecto (Moisture)
Leave-In Treatments
Neutrogena Triple Moisture Silk Touch Leave-in Cream
S-Curl Instant "No Drip" Activator Moisturizer
L'Oreal Nature's Therapy Unfrizz Smoothing Treatment
Kids Organics Shea Butter Detangling Hair Lotion ( Amazing!)
Great Daily Moisturizers
Kids Organics Shea Butter Detangling Hair Lotion
S-Curl Instant "No Drip" Activator Moisturizer
3/4Glycerin/Glycerin & 1/4Water/Rosewater
Any Braid Spray...

The Photo/Journal Links

Fotki (http://www.fotki.com)
Most popular photo album storage website. Almost every one on BHM, LHCF, and here has a fotki. You can have a journal, a guestbook, and links. I'm going to make one someday.

Picoodle (http://www.picoodle.com)
Can't upload pictures on forums? Here's the place to go.

Photobucket(http://www.photobucket.com)
Another awesome photo storage website.

Blogger (http://www.blogger.com)
Home to the hair bloggers. I have a hair blog on blogger (http://coarsehair.blogspot.com).
Wordpress (http://www.wordpress.com)
Another popular blog host. I had an account on there once and it was pretty good. A lot more pages can be added on the main blog.
for the newbies and other general information:
http://forum.blackhairmedia.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=21821

info; great start for newbies or anyone who wants to add to their journal(s)

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