PHYTOSPECIFIC RELAXER: Natural or All Lyes?

[MonPetite]

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[gymfreak336]

No, I haven't jumped on the relaxer train (not that I have an issue with current riders, I was relaxed for 20 years and just BCed 3 months ago. I'm not enlightened...just curly headed). My thoughts of texturizing haven't come back for the moment.

I want to know if Phytospecific Relaxer is truly "natural".

I ask this because...if in fact egg protein and Soya can straighten hair naturally...why do you have to neutralize?

Are these two ingredients when combined able to form lye or something similar....

In which case it is a lye/no-lye relaxer they just broke the lye down into something else to have it read as "all natural" on the label, but chemically...it's all the same?

Here are the ingredients:

Pre-Care Balm: Zea Mays (Corn) Germ Oil (Mais), Petrolatum (Vaseline), Isopropyl, Myristate, Butylparaben, Chlorphenesin.

Straightening Cream: Water, Mineral Oil, Paraffinum Liquidum, Emulsifying Wax NF, Propylene Glycol, Egg Extract/Ovum (Extrait D’Euf), Steareth-100, PEG-75, Lanolin, Disodium Cocoamphodiacetate, Oleth-20, Cetearyl Alcohol, PEG-10 Rapeseed Sterol, Hydrolyzed Soy Protein (Soja), Fragrance/Parfun, Egg Oil/Ovum (Huile D’Euf).
Inductor Index 1: Water, Guanidine Carbonate, Xanthan Gum, Propylene Glycol, Yellow 5/CI19140.

Neutralizing and Cleansing Emulsion: Water, Ammonium Lauryl Sulfate (Dérivé De Coco), Propylene Glycol, PEG-15 Cocopolyamine, PEG-7 Glyceryl Cocoate (Dérivé De Coco), Vinegar/Acetum (Vinaigre De Cidre), PEG-4 Rapeseedamide (Dérivé De Colza), Guar Hydroxypropyltrimonium Chloride (Dérivé De Gomme Guar), Sodium Laureth-11 Carboxylate, Laureth-10 (Dérivé De Coco), Fragrance/Parfum, Hydrolyzed Keratin (Hydrolysat De Kératene). Cinchona Succirubra Bark Extract (Quinquina), Sorbitol, Diazolidinyl Urea, Tetrasodium EDTA, Phenolsulfonphtalein, Phenoxyethanol, Parabens (Methyl, Ethyl, Propyl, Butyl, Isobutyl).

Milky Reconstructor: Water, Cetearyl Alcohol (Dérivé D’Huile De Coco), Propylene Glycol, Distearyldimonium Chloride (Dérivé De Colza), Dicetyldimonium Chloride Ceteareth-33 (Dérivé D’Huile De Coco), Acetamidoethyl PG-Trimonium Chloride Stearic Acid, Guar Hydroxypropyltrimonium Chloride (Dérivé De Gomme Guar), Mineral Oil/Parafinum Liquidum, Lanolin Alcohol, Oleyl Alcohol, Canola Oil, Amodimethicone Octoxynol-40, ISO-Laureth-6, Hydroxypropyltrimonium Hydrolyzed Wheat Protein, (Dérivé De Proténes De Blé), Fragrance/Parfum, Butylparaben, Diazolidinyl Urea, Yellow 5/CI 19140.


Someone help me understand what exactly is going on here. I'd like to recommended it to the relaxed heads in my life...but I don't want to tell them I found something "natural"...when in fact, it isn't.

Please refrain from giving reviews or raving/hating on this product. I want to know if what it claims is TRUE/POSSIBLE not how well/not well it worked for you. Thanks!


Help!

Thats the chemical.

 

[JLove74]

Nope. Anything that changes the natural curl pattern of your hair, isn't natural. When I was relaxed I used Phyto for about 5 years and if I ever go back to relaxing it will be my #1 choice

 

[MonPetite]

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[gymfreak336]

WAIT. That's it? They just...put powdered egg whites and tofu in a regular relaxer?

not exactly. The phyto relaxers don't break your hair down as much (Sareca had a thread about needing less protein if you relax with phyto) and the pH of the product is usually a little lower than other relaxers.

There are pro's and cons with any relaxer formula and brand.

 

[ichephren]

Well, I have used phyto for 3yrs and for my last relaxer, I used ORS no lye normal. Phyto is just a really mild no lye relaxer and it doesn't have calcium, so there's no issue with buildup. However, the ORS actually underprocessed me, which I didn't anticipate at all, especially since I did a patch test. ORS also left my scalp a bit dry, which is something I never experienced with phyto. If your hair likes no lye relaxers, then phyto should be fine.

 

[MonPetite]

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[shocol]

Nope. Anything that changes the natural curl pattern of your hair, isn't natural. When I was relaxed I used Phyto for about 5 years and if I ever go back to relaxing it will be my #1 choice

So will I, I never should have switched brands.

 

[Honi]

Not natural per se but specific active ingredients within the products are said to be from natural sources.

If I remember correctly...

Guanide carbonate - derived from mushroom salts

Neutralizing shampoo - vinegar is the neutralizing ingredient

Reconstructor - not sure but didn't care as I don't use this in the kit. ETA....it's wheat protein

Straightening cream - egg and soy. Makes the hair really soft, hydrated and smooth

 

[GOD]

Wow, I made an exact same thread just a week ago when this one was made already.

Im starting to think theyre LYEing about their ingredients. Think about it, GUANIDINE CARBONATE on its own can't straighten hair, and all them chemicals in the straightening cream dont have straightenin properties. What would you need all those reconstructor and neutralizer for if its some magical all-natural product that dont damage the hair. I also noticed some people who didn't just tex-lax and fully relaxed say they had a buildup on the hair.

Me thinks they got Calcium Hydroxide in that Straightenin Cream and that they purposefully omitted it for marketing purposes. I wonder if theres a way to test for it Calcium Hydroxide and the pH on your own. If they LYEing about the most important part of the product, who knows what else they aint tellin you.

 

[Honi]

A chemical is a chemical period. Natural or synthetic it is still a chemical. Chemists correct me if I’m wrong. I haven’t had chemistry in a lonnnnggg arse time!

Typically the no lye relaxers that you mix has a cream base and are made up of calcium hydroxide and guanidine carbonate. When the two parts are mixed, guanidine hydroxide is formed that activates the relaxation process.

With this relaxer system, calcium hydroxide is not in the base and the inductor contains guanide carbonate. The base maybe has no relaxing properties on its own which is why the pH is so high? I’m guessing the guanide carbonate reacts with the soy, egg complex in some way for the relaxation process to occur. Again, it’s just a thought. Just because it comes from “natural sources” doesn’t mean that your hair won’t suffer any damage from misuse/abuse using it. You would still need a neutralizer and reconstructor.

But I do know this. It is the best relaxer I’ve ever tried and I’ve tried over 15 different brands lye and no-lye over my lifetime and will never go back to em….EVAH. My hair looks and feels just different that's all.

I would be interested in knowing how the relaxation process works though.

 

[naturalgurl]

Wow, I made an exact same thread just a week ago when this one was made already.

Im starting to think theyre LYEing about their ingredients. Think about it, GUANIDINE CARBONATE on its own can't straighten hair, and all them chemicals in the straightening cream dont have straightenin properties. What would you need all those reconstructor and neutralizer for if its some magical all-natural product that dont damage the hair. I also noticed some people who didn't just tex-lax and fully relaxed say they had a buildup on the hair.

Me thinks they got Calcium Hydroxide in that Straightenin Cream and that they purposefully omitted it for marketing purposes. I wonder if theres a way to test for it Calcium Hydroxide and the pH on your own. If they LYEing about the most important part of the product, who knows what else they aint tellin you.

I feel this way about a lot of things I've bought. Don't want to be like old boy in "Conspiracy Theory" but it's best sometimes to deal with stuff you KNOW what it is, that's with food or anything.

 

[naturalgurl]

Water (hydrogen and oxygen) when mixed with magnesium sulfate(magnesium,sulfur and oxygen) you can burn yourself. This is why I choose to use "chemicals" in their natural unadulturated forms. Just so I'll know or at have some knowledge of what the real deal is...

ETA~ typos

 

[niptuck]

Can anyone answer this for me please? I read on the website the Do's and Don'ts below:

1. Always do a strand test before relaxing.
2. Do not apply relaxer complex to scalp.
3. This product contains no lye. However, like with any relaxer, you must carefully follow all directions to avoid potential skin and scalp burns, hair loss and eye injury.
4. Do not use if scalp is irritated or inflamed, or shows signs of abnormal condition.
5. Do not use on bleach hair, henna treated hair or on hair dyed or relaxed with products containing metallic substances.
6. Do not use after coloring your hair with permanent hair color. Wait at least 3 weeks before relaxing your hair, and proceed only if hair shows no sign of damage.
7. Do not use on permanently waved or curly permed hair, or hair that has had a chemical curl.
8. Do not pre-shampoo hair. Wait at least 3 days after last shampoo before relaxing your hair.
9. Do not wet or manipulate scalp in any way before application.
10. Do not use hot combs, pressing irons, or any other heated implements with the relaxer.
11. Do not use hot combs 8 days before or immediately after using relaxer.
12. Do not use cut hair before relaxing.
13. Use only product contained in this kit.
14. If you have braided hair, undo braids then shampoo and condition hair 1 week prior to using relaxer.

My question is if I henna my hair a month ago, can I still use this relaxer? Also, you can not color you hair at all in order to use this relaxer?

 

[naturalgurl]

Well as for henna'ed hair, I think the relaxer can't penetrate or something. Henna coats the hair. That's one question down, eh? But this is just my guess.

 

[GOD]

A chemical is a chemical period. Natural or synthetic it is still a chemical. Chemists correct me if I’m wrong. I haven’t had chemistry in a lonnnnggg arse time!

Typically the no lye relaxers that you mix has a cream base and are made up of calcium hydroxide and guanidine carbonate. When the two parts are mixed, guanidine hydroxide is formed that activates the relaxation process.

With this relaxer system, calcium hydroxide is not in the base and the inductor contains guanide carbonate. The base maybe has no relaxing properties on its own which is why the pH is so high? I’m guessing the guanide carbonate reacts with the soy, egg complex in some way for the relaxation process to occur. Again, it’s just a thought. Just because it comes from “natural sources” doesn’t mean that your hair won’t suffer any damage from misuse/abuse using it. You would still need a neutralizer and reconstructor.

But I do know this. It is the best relaxer I’ve ever tried and I’ve tried over 15 different brands lye and no-lye over my lifetime and will never go back to em….EVAH. My hair looks and feels just different that's all.

I would be interested in knowing how the relaxation process works though.

Soy and Egg dont straighten hair. Soy and Egg mixed with guanidine carbonate do not straighten hair. Guanidine carbonate on its own doesn't straighten hair. There aint no other perm with guanidine carbonate, that requires mixing that aint called a guanidine hydroxide relaxer.

I aint tell you to stop using. Shoot, I get annoyed as heck when I see ladies runnin round screamin so-and-so ingredient cause cancer, so-and-so ingredient gonna kill you. Im just curious to see if I'm right, which I strongly suspect. I know Phyto says theyre a No-Lye, which as everybody knows is a mis-nomer, and that all relaxers have Lye. What Phyto is essentially trying to convince us is that they LITERALLY have no lye, through their marketing and by the leavin out Calcium Hydroxide from their ingredients listing, which is illegal, btw. I know they french and everyone think their blank dont stank, but I aint buyin da hype juz yet

 

[Honi]

Soy and Egg dont straighten hair. Soy and Egg mixed with guanidine carbonate do not straighten hair. Guanidine carbonate on its own doesn't straighten hair. There aint no other perm with guanidine carbonate, that requires mixing that aint called a guanidine hydroxide relaxer.

I aint tell you to stop using. Shoot, I get annoyed as heck when I see ladies runnin round screamin so-and-so ingredient cause cancer, so-and-so ingredient gonna kill you. Im just curious to see if I'm right, which I strongly suspect. I know Phyto says theyre a No-Lye, which as everybody knows is a mis-nomer, and that all relaxers have Lye. What Phyto is essentially trying to convince us is that they LITERALLY have no lye, through their marketing and by the leavin out Calcium Hydroxide from their ingredients listing, which is illegal, btw. I know they french and everyone think their blank dont stank, but I aint buyin da hype juz yet

Sodium hydroxide IS LYE.

Calcium hydroxide IS NOT LYE by definition but has the same effect as sodium hydroxide. The mis-nomer is MARKETING which was supposed to make us think it is safer. That part is certainly not true. It's still caustic!

The dryness associated with no lye relaxers comes from the calcium deposits left on the hair making the hair appear dull. I've experienced this with other brands as I remember the chalky feeling and dryness. Can't say this did not happen with the other members because everybody knows that everybodys hair is different when it comes to how our hair responds to ANYTHING. What works for one will not work for others.

Now as far as it's activity. I think that the cream alone will not straighten but combined with the inductor something is going on because the pH of the product after mixing is high. I would hate to think that Phyto would put it's reputation on the line like that and omit anything that was in that jar. It is illegal and just plain ole' stupid to do.

So like you I am curious as to what is in that jar but I'm not quite convinced that there is any calcium hydroxide in there. That chalk, dry, dull look and feel is unmistakable.

 

[GOD]

Sodium hydroxide IS LYE.

Calcium hydroxide IS NOT LYE by definition but has the same effect as sodium hydroxide. The mis-nomer is MARKETING which was supposed to make us think it is safer. That part is certainly not true. It's still caustic!

The dryness associated with no lye relaxers comes from the calcium deposits left on the hair making the hair appear dull. I've experienced this with other brands as I remember the chalky feeling and dryness. Can't say this did not happen with the other members because everybody knows that everybodys hair is different when it comes to how our hair responds to ANYTHING. What works for one will not work for others.

Now as far as it's activity. I think that the cream alone will not straighten but combined with the inductor something is going on because the pH of the product after mixing is high. I would hate to think that Phyto would put it's reputation on the line like that and omit anything that was in that jar. It is illegal and just plain ole' stupid to do.

So like you I am curious as to what is in that jar but I'm not quite convinced that there is any calcium hydroxide in there. That chalk, dry, dull look and feel is unmistakable.

Well, I learned some new today. I guess the no-lye misnomer was incorrect all along. Thanks for the breakdown.

As far as people having dryness issues with Phyto, heres a thread full of ladies (http://www.longhaircareforum.com/showthread.php?t=99006) describing the tell tale signs of a no-lye, calcium hydroxide relaxer. Dunno if u came across that.

I wish there were a way to test for calcium hydroxide. Maybe some of our more chemically inclined ladies on here would know more about how to go about this. Whats shocking to me is that why would Phyto lie about their ingredients especially comin from the EU, where they got even stricter laws all on that stuff? Any EU ladies get an ingredient listing for us to double-check to make sure?

 

[GOD]

Lets do a breakdown of their Straightening Cream containing "no calcium hydroxide"

Straightening Cream:

Water -

not a potential straightening agent​

Mineral Oil - Paraffinum Liquidum -

not a potential straightening agent​

Emulsifying Wax NF -

emulsifier, not a potential straightening agent​

Propylene Glycol -

not a potential straightening agent​

Egg Extract/Ovum (Extrait D’Euf) -

not a potential straightening agent​

Steareth-100 -

solubilizer, not a potential straightening agent​

PEG-75 -

not a potential straightening agent​

Lanolin,

not a potential straightening agent​

Disodium Cocoamphodiacetate -

surfactant, not a potential straightening agent​

Oleth-20 -

surfactant, not a potential straightening agent​

Cetearyl Alcohol -

emuslfier, foam booster, not a potential straightening agent​

PEG-10 Rapeseed Sterol -

not a potential straightening agent​

Hydrolyzed Soy Protein (Soja) -

not a potential straighening agent​

Fragrance/Parfun -

not a potential straightening agent​

Egg Oil/Ovum (Huile D’Euf) -

not a potential straightening agent​

 

[naturalgurl]

GOD, I think their relaxer is based on belief...obviously. How can you straighten hair with a jar full of "not a potential straightening agent"?
SOMEBODY GET LEGAL IN HERE!

 

[Prettyeyes]

I'm getting confused too, How does it work?

 

[GOD]

I'm getting confused too, How does it work?

I'm betting it has Calcium Hydroxide, and they just figured they'd leave it outta the ingredient listing and keep tellin lying to people that it doesnt have it. Shoot, if ur payin 60 bones for a relaxer in the first place, ur already a lil off ur rocker, heck i couldnt believe myself i was allowin myself to spend 60 bones for that mess...so if ur willin to overspend by a ridiculous amount, u'll most likely eat up whatever garbage/lies they say about their magical product with no calcium hydroxide.

 

[Honi]

I'm betting it has Calcium Hydroxide, and they just figured they'd leave it outta the ingredient listing and keep tellin lying to people that it doesnt have it. Shoot, if ur payin 60 bones for a relaxer in the first place, ur already a lil off ur rocker, heck i couldnt believe myself i was allowin myself to spend 60 bones for that mess...so if ur willin to overspend by a ridiculous amount, u'll most likely eat up whatever garbage/lies they say about their magical product with no calcium hydroxide.

Well.....I'll just be off my rocker then cause for MY HAIR it's da bomb Don't care much for their other product lines though. Shout out to Ms. Polly for the stash!

Do you dahlin'. You know what works best for your hair just like I KNOW what works for mine.

Peace! *two fangas*

 

[GOD]

Well.....I'll just be off my rocker then cause for MY HAIR it's da bomb Don't care much for their other product lines though. Shout out to Ms. Polly for the stash!

Do you dahlin'. You know what works best for your hair just like I KNOW what works for mine.

Peace! *two fangas*

I dunno why you catchin feelings. Like I said earlier, keep using whatever u like, i aint never tell u or anyone to stop usin. Im just tryna find out if they are being truthful, because if they aint, what theyre doing is ILLEGAL.

 

[Honi]

I dunno why you catchin feelings. Like I said earlier, keep using whatever u like, i aint never tell u or anyone to stop usin. Im just tryna find out if they are being truthful, because if they aint, what theyre doing is ILLEGAL.

Not catching feelings dear. You and I are on the same page as far as that aspect. I am with > < with you and understand where you are coming from.

 

[MonPetite]

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