If you're going to Lala's or Miss Myra's salon down the block, then yeah, you have to do that, but if you're willing to spend a little extra then you won't have to bring in your own items or wash your hair. REAL hairstylists will look at you like you're outta your damn mind and be like "Nah, ah. We don't do that HERE."
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are stylists unqualified to do our hair these days?
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If you're going to Lala's or Miss Myra's salon down the block, then yeah, you have to do that, but if you're willing to spend a little extra then you won't have to bring in your own items or wash your hair. REAL hairstylists will look at you like you're outta your damn mind and be like "Nah, ah. We don't do that HERE."
pisceschica
Well-Known Member
No I do not think that people should have to be taught to handle a specific tecture of hair.
School only teaches you the basics and as you have said the state board isn't really concerned with whether or not you can do hair they are more concerned that you are aware not spreading communicable disease or harming the public in some other way.
If you choose not to learn how to work with that hair texture its their loss isn't it?
If they want to lose out on that share of their market its their right. No one should be forced to learn or to deal with something if they dont' want to.
For instance if I continue to keep my cosmetology license valid I want to apprentice or assit at a salong to become a colorist. You will find that there are some things a stylist is good at and loves to do. And there are somethings a stylist isn't good at (or doesnt much care for) and does it rarely if at all.
A stylists main purpose is NOT to style hair. They are just given the basics about hair so that styling hair is ONE of their options. They dont primarily teach you to style. I can tell you right now that stylist (outside of a basic set flat iron or blowout) that I cannot and do not like to "style"hair. What they teach you about is hair how to color it, cut it, factors that affect growth including genetics and medications, skin disorders that affect the scap.
A stylist can choose to be whatever stylist they want to be. Like someone said there are some that are only concerned with styling your hair even if that includes alot of chemicals and high heat. Some are more concerned about the health of your hair and will advise you against doing anything deterimental to the hair. And you have those that have specialties like color, cut, extensions, updos etc.
School only teaches you the basics and as you have said the state board isn't really concerned with whether or not you can do hair they are more concerned that you are aware not spreading communicable disease or harming the public in some other way.
If you choose not to learn how to work with that hair texture its their loss isn't it?
If they want to lose out on that share of their market its their right. No one should be forced to learn or to deal with something if they dont' want to. For instance if I continue to keep my cosmetology license valid I want to apprentice or assit at a salong to become a colorist. You will find that there are some things a stylist is good at and loves to do. And there are somethings a stylist isn't good at (or doesnt much care for) and does it rarely if at all.
A stylists main purpose is NOT to style hair. They are just given the basics about hair so that styling hair is ONE of their options. They dont primarily teach you to style. I can tell you right now that stylist (outside of a basic set flat iron or blowout) that I cannot and do not like to "style"hair. What they teach you about is hair how to color it, cut it, factors that affect growth including genetics and medications, skin disorders that affect the scap.
A stylist can choose to be whatever stylist they want to be. Like someone said there are some that are only concerned with styling your hair even if that includes alot of chemicals and high heat. Some are more concerned about the health of your hair and will advise you against doing anything deterimental to the hair. And you have those that have specialties like color, cut, extensions, updos etc.
pisceschica
Well-Known Member
That is more to do with her own personal business than the skill side which is what cosmetology exam is concerned about.
There are two parts to this business. The skill side and your business skills. The business skills seem to be the biggest issues for customers from bad communication (making sure that your inch and her inch are the same) to just bad customer service like being late and not have cocern/respect for the customers time.
That is her loss. In this business you cannot treat customers like that if you want to survive. But at the same time if more customers would stop accepting this behavior as ok by continuing to be a patron of that particular stylist then maybe it would stop. But since Keysha can do some "hurr" then its ok that you got started on at 1 when you had an appointment at 11
Lady Esquire
New Member
Since you stated that with such glee, do you really think this is a good thing? What about the good stylists out there? We DO exist, you know, and just like any other working person, we have children to raise and bills to pay. Can we not earn a nice life for ourselves just like the rest of you?erplexed I mean, damn.
To answer the OP's question, the state board exam that I took was more concerned with sanitation than anything else, and no, there was not a segment on natural hair and its care. Natural hair was barely covered in our curriculum. Stylists who do natural hair typically seek out such knowledge on their own and/or have natural hair themselves and learn through trial and error, typically on their own heads. People also shouldn't be so quick to judge the schools because some stylists are going to do what they want to do once they have that license, despite the school's best teachings.
Real change is not going to be brought about by so many women doing their own hair and therefore not needing stylists. Real change is going to take place when SALON PATRONS stop taking the BS that the bad stylists dish out.
I agree with this 100%. As I have stated numerous times, I was raised in my mom's salons, and I firmly beleive that doing hair is a skill, like any other, that needs to be honed. The ones that take true pride in their work, actually view it as a craft, and constantly seek to refine their mastery either thru formal continuing education or thru self-teaching methods.
Right now I am on a DIY kick...for numerous reasons. My main reason is that I am crazy-focused on acheiving steady growth without any delays. Since I am fairly new here to Atlanta, I would have to test out a few folks first, and I have done that twice unsuccessfully, so I am on an indefinite hiatus.
With that said, I believe that every woman should have their trusted, talented stylist for those days when you need that professional touch. For the life of me, no matter what I do, I have yet to get that "salon" look as a DIYer...and for that reason, I sooooooo agree with GymFreak's comments.
Just can't get the hair as silky and as bouncy...as the stylists do. I have not given up on finding someone, because here in Atlanta, there are a few (Balisi included) that I have on my very short list. Like anything else in life, you cannot unfairly lump them all in one category.
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HoneyDew
Well-Known Member
it's threads like this that keep pushing me towards cosmetology...
i mean there are so many bad stylists, it would seem the good ones would be in such high demand that i'd have to turn people away at the end of the night cuz i'm so tired...
so true!!
I am half and half one this one. Before I found lhcf, i always thought the stylists were causing my setbacks. When it was probably more so that it was what I was or wasn't doing for my own hair. I have not really been back since so I can't say if they were good are not. For me it was hit or miss. I could see someone else's hair and think okay they did a good job on them (and me sometimes), but I never achieved the healthy look that I wanted. I also think that the schools put more emphasis on hair styling techniques and not healthy hair maintenance. The schools need to update the curriculum!!!
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RubyWoo
Well-Known Member
Since you stated that with such glee, do you really think this is a good thing? What about the good stylists out there? We DO exist, you know, and just like any other working person, we have children to raise and bills to pay. Can we not earn a nice life for ourselves just like the rest of you?
To answer the OP's question, the state board exam that I took was more concerned with sanitation than anything else, and no, there was not a segment on natural hair and its care. Natural hair was barely covered in our curriculum. Stylists who do natural hair typically seek out such knowledge on their own and/or have natural hair themselves and learn through trial and error, typically on their own heads. People also shouldn't be so quick to judge the schools because some stylists are going to do what they want to do once they have that license, despite the school's best teachings.
Real change is not going to be brought about by so many women doing their own hair and therefore not needing stylists. Real change is going to take place when SALON PATRONS stop taking the BS that the bad stylists dish out.
I agree with this 100%. As I have stated numerous times, I was raised in my mom's salons, and I firmly beleive that doing hair is a skill, like any other, that needs to honed. The ones that take true pride in their work, actually view it as a craft, and constantly seek to refine their mastery either thru formal continuing education or thru self-teaching methods.
Right now I am on a DIY kick...for numerous reasons. My main reason is that I am crazy-focused on acheiving steady growth without any delays. Since I am fairly new here to Atlanta, I would have to test out a few folks first, and I have done that twice unsuccessfully, so I am on an indefinite hiatus.
With that said, I believe that every woman should have their trusted, talented stylist for those days when you need that professional touch. For the life of me, no matter what I do, I have yet to get that "salon" look as DIYer...and for that reason, I sooooooo agree with GymFreak's comments.
I have not given up on finding someone, because here in Atlanta, there are a few (Balisi included) that I have on my very short list. Like anything else in life, you cannot unfairly lump them all in one category.
Cosigning both of y'all. Well said! I would say more but I won't. Both posts sum up my feelings on this topic. I strongly believe that there are alot more good stylists out there than bad. Just like in every industry, there are always a few bad apples.
DivaD04
New Member
pisceschica I just think if a school is going to teach cut, color, relaxer application...why not add natural hair? Is that going to hurt if folks learn about natural along w/ 1,200-2,400hrs? It really doesn't matter what background you come from. that's my fault...i apologize i was wrong. i'm just simply saying everyday someone is applying to attend school, are graduating, and/or liscense and don't know diddly about hair but how to put a chemical or add heat to someone's head.
b4 you
let me go ahead and 
. I just thought this topic would make a good debate atleast we know how each other feel about stylist and our hair. I'm not knocking good stylists...I give kudos to yah! Thank God for my hands if I wasn't so good with them I wouldn't know what to do.
b4 you
let me go ahead and . I just thought this topic would make a good debate atleast we know how each other feel about stylist and our hair. I'm not knocking good stylists...I give kudos to yah! Thank God for my hands if I wasn't so good with them I wouldn't know what to do.pisceschica
Well-Known Member
pisceschica I just think if a school is going to teach cut, color, relaxer application...why not add natural hair? Is that going to hurt if folks learn about natural along w/ 1,200-2,400hrs? It really doesn't matter what background you come from. that's my fault...i apologize i was wrong. i'm just simply saying everyday someone is applying to attend school, are graduating, and/or liscense and don't know diddly about hair but how to put a chemical or add heat to someone's head.
b4 you
Again I just feel like if that something you don't care to learn then thats on you. I don't think that somenoe should be forced to learn to take care of a specific type of hair. IMO doing that would trump the theory that all hair composition is the same (cuticle cortex medula).
Natural (kinky) hair takes alot more patience than someone who has a relaxer or has straight/ loose curly hair. Its just the truth. I can tell you that I deal with a customer that has natural hair its like 3b/4b (it has diff textures through her head). I blow out her hair with a roud brush and flat iron it. I charge her almost $40 (I should've charged her more but since I charged her that the first time i can't go and charge higher the next time
) it took me about 2 hrs to do that b/c she has hair past bsl. On top of that his woman didn't tip.People complain that natural hair salons are expensive but the bottom line is that it takes longer to deal with than other hair. And when you have ppl complaining about hte prices when you spend that kind of time on them you just feel robbed when you feel like you could've made more doing simple haircuts in that same time.
The point is it takes alot of time then in many instances you will get those cutomers that complain about the price even though you did a good job and that blow out lasted her a while.
The thing you have to understand is why are people going to take the time to learn something in school that is not going to be on the liscensing exam? If they want to later on in advanced training (b/c trust me that is avaialbe) they can, but if they don't want to that is fine with me to.
_belle
New Member
in short. . . hell yeah! my hair has never been as healthy as it is now. I don't want to hear it. . . I am not going to go until i absolutely have to and even then, Imma have my eye on her butt. none of that just thinkin "she went to school for this, she knows best" foolishness
Reinventing21
Spreading my wings
Again I just feel like if that something you don't care to learn then thats on you. I don't think that somenoe should be forced to learn to take care of a specific type of hair. IMO doing that would trump the theory that all hair composition is the same (cuticle cortex medula).
Natural (kinky) hair takes alot more patience than someone who has a relaxer or has straight/ loose curly hair. Its just the truth. I can tell you that I deal with a customer that has natural hair its like 3b/4b (it has diff textures through her head). I blow out her hair with a roud brush and flat iron it. I charge her almost $40 (I should've charged her more but since I charged her that the first time i can't go and charge higher the next time
People complain that natural hair salons are expensive but the bottom line is that it takes longer to deal with than other hair. And when you have ppl complaining about hte prices when you spend that kind of time on them you just feel robbed when you feel like you could've made more doing simple haircuts in that same time.
The point is it takes alot of time then in many instances you will get those cutomers that complain about the price even though you did a good job and that blow out lasted her a while.
The thing you have to understand is why are people going to take the time to learn something in school that is not going to be on the liscensing exam? If they want to later on in advanced training (b/c trust me that is avaialbe) they can, but if they don't want to that is fine with me to.
I understand everyone's frustration. On one hand you have the clients who are dealing with lots of unbelievably unprofessional behavior, extremely poor etiquette, and strong unwillingness to accomodate and meet client needs and wishes.
On the other hand, you have stylists who at the end of the day need to get paid regardless of whether this is their passion or not. So from their point of view like pisceschica said 'natural hair takes longer to do' on average and so does longer hair, thicker hair etc. Therefore I know plenty of stylists who shy away from those types (natural, extra thick or extra long whether relaxed or natural) so they get through more heads in a day to make money. Also many stylists have to make up in price for the products they purchase, and do feel very upset when after putting in the extra time etc they do not get tipped.
Overall, there needs to be more communication, understanding, and cooperation from both sides if there is going to be a "salon experience" makeover which I think we desperately need. I am currently a diy cuz I have kicked myself too many times about getting burned by stylists.
As far as the school thing goes, I do believe that if we are to go along with what piscischica said, then maybe it would be fair to make it a rule to have a sign saying what the stylists' specialties are. That way, there would be no confusion. Also, maybe there should be a required section on professionalism so that rather than the stylist insulting people's hair, they could just learn to say politely, "I'm sorry. That is not my specialty. If you like, I could recommend someone."'
JMHO
I dont think that people should have to learn to do afro textured hair either. If they want the clientèle they should take it upon themselves to learn
Pheonixx
New Member
^^^^
I AGREE...
^^LOL
Wow..,
I don't know whether or not you were being facetious but since I tend to laugh at the most innappropriate things anyway--- I'll take it as that (and agree).
A sign is a splendid idea!
It would definitely help the more clueless clients who couldn't just ask for a beautician's specialty during the initial phone call/visit...
Therefore I know plenty of stylists who shy away from those types (natural, extra thick or extra long whether relaxed or natural) so they get through more heads in a day to make money.
This is true. And I can understand the rationale completely. You can't take up all your time with braids and other types that take forever.
It's better to bust out 4-6 relaxers then deal with micros or a woman who wants these long intricate designs.
In any case, I know there was a time (before I switched stylists)when I used to pay 'long hair' fees.
Which is complete...'bull-doody'--because I'm just SL!
These beauticians acted like I was stomping around with the APLs and BSL's. Some stylists just lump SL right on in there with the long haired ladies.
But....I didn't trip. I just paid it. Rules are rules and they're there...for some unknown reason.
(I guess)
I AGREE...
^^LOL
Wow..,
I don't know whether or not you were being facetious but since I tend to laugh at the most innappropriate things anyway--- I'll take it as that (and agree).
A sign is a splendid idea!
It would definitely help the more clueless clients who couldn't just ask for a beautician's specialty during the initial phone call/visit...
Therefore I know plenty of stylists who shy away from those types (natural, extra thick or extra long whether relaxed or natural) so they get through more heads in a day to make money.
This is true. And I can understand the rationale completely. You can't take up all your time with braids and other types that take forever.
It's better to bust out 4-6 relaxers then deal with micros or a woman who wants these long intricate designs.
In any case, I know there was a time (before I switched stylists)when I used to pay 'long hair' fees.
Which is complete...'bull-doody'--because I'm just SL!
These beauticians acted like I was stomping around with the APLs and BSL's. Some stylists just lump SL right on in there with the long haired ladies.
But....I didn't trip. I just paid it. Rules are rules and they're there...for some unknown reason.
(I guess)
LadyKaypnyc
New Member
ladylibra
New Member
this is EXACTLY what happened when i went to WiP Downtown. the "curly-hair specialist" i had made an appointment with was a white girl, and although she adored my hair she was upfront and honest with me that her training was not with black natural hair. so she referred me to the black stylist working there. i think most importantly though, she didn't just shoo me over to the other stylist... she kept coming over and the black stylist explained everything that was being done to my head and why. most of these stylist just say "i don't do that" and stick their noses up in the air... at least she took the time to learn something new so if i ever come back and the black stylist isn't there, the white girl could work on my hair and not be totally clueless.
Dayjoy
Old School Member
It seems as though there are some things that are lacking. Professionalism is one. Some medical schools are teaching bedside manner to future doctors. Cosmetology schools should teach chairside/sinkside manner seeing as it is still a job, and these people should want to maintain their clientele. Also the science behind ingredients used in products should be taught. There is no excuse for these people not knowing what does what. Now when it comes to specialty, stylists should be allowed. You can't be a Jack of all trades. That's why we have some of these horror stories. That's why at many upscale salons you have one that does color, one that does cuts, a seperate wash person, etc. And natural hair does take more time. No one knows DD's natural hair like I do, but no one will love it like me. It takes a long time when it's done right. If DH paid me what I was worth for doing her hair she could be a career alone. LOL Besides, I don't want anyone doing anything to my hair (relaxed, natural, whatever) if they don't care enough learn about it.
lovedone_24
New Member
I have reduced my visits to relaxer only and I am toying with not even that. A trim is always a cut, the relaxer is usually the house-special (no variation based on your hair type), and there is no focus on the overall health of the hair. Then there's the "come back in 2 weeks". Most of us are on a weekly hair washing schedule now, if not more. And they never seem to be open to suggestion. It seems to be understood that if you pay them, they're going to do it their way.
Reinventing21
Spreading my wings
To Phoenix
^^LOL
Wow..,
I don't know whether or not you were being facetious but since I tend to laugh at the most innappropriate things anyway--- I'll take it as that (and agree).
A sign is a splendid idea!
It would definitely help the more clueless clients who couldn't just ask for a beautician's specialty during the initial phone call/visit...
I LOL too! No I wasn't being facetious. I am totally serious about the sign. Sure clients should ask during the initial phone call/visit but a lot of people just assume that if a stylist agrees to do their hair, then they think that the stylist must know what they are doing. Often times clients don't even think to ask about preferences or specialties.
I also totally agree that stylist should learn some of the science behind the products, as well as learn how to read ingredient labels. It doesn't have to be overly technical, but the basics would be good, so that future stylist are more aware. It bothers me when I know more about the products they are using than they do.
I studied ingredients so much back in high school that I realized that if you mix the main ingredients in a relaxer with that of a curly perm you would have Nair.
In any case, I know there was a time (before I switched stylists)when I used to pay 'long hair' fees.
Which is complete...'bull-doody'--because I'm just SL!
These beauticians acted like I was stomping around with the APLs and BSL's. Some stylists just lump SL right on in there with the long haired ladies.
But....I didn't trip. I just paid it. Rules are rules and they're there...for some unknown reason.
This happened to me once. I paid it, but I never returned.
^^LOL
Wow..,
I don't know whether or not you were being facetious but since I tend to laugh at the most innappropriate things anyway--- I'll take it as that (and agree).
A sign is a splendid idea!
It would definitely help the more clueless clients who couldn't just ask for a beautician's specialty during the initial phone call/visit...
I LOL too! No I wasn't being facetious. I am totally serious about the sign. Sure clients should ask during the initial phone call/visit but a lot of people just assume that if a stylist agrees to do their hair, then they think that the stylist must know what they are doing. Often times clients don't even think to ask about preferences or specialties.
I also totally agree that stylist should learn some of the science behind the products, as well as learn how to read ingredient labels. It doesn't have to be overly technical, but the basics would be good, so that future stylist are more aware. It bothers me when I know more about the products they are using than they do.
I studied ingredients so much back in high school that I realized that if you mix the main ingredients in a relaxer with that of a curly perm you would have Nair.
In any case, I know there was a time (before I switched stylists)when I used to pay 'long hair' fees.
Which is complete...'bull-doody'--because I'm just SL!
These beauticians acted like I was stomping around with the APLs and BSL's. Some stylists just lump SL right on in there with the long haired ladies.
But....I didn't trip. I just paid it. Rules are rules and they're there...for some unknown reason.
This happened to me once. I paid it, but I never returned.
lovedone_24
New Member
I don't know if anyone has had any experience with this, but where I live the stylists seem stuck in a time warp. I can name at least 3 salons off hand who only use Dudley.
Reinventing21
Spreading my wings
I am so glad you had a positive experience! That's the way it should be, but unfortunately we know it's not anything like that most of the time.
I have just seen and heard (including this board) things that are so far off the map of professionalism that it is disturbing.
DragonPearl
Well-Known Member
MOST stylists are inept at doing our hair these days.
BklynHeart
Well-Known Member
But this is the thing; white women with curly hair have the same problems as we do, finding someone that knows how to cut, style, and know what products are good for their hair as well. And believe me, they pay a pretty penny for it too e.g. Devachan (sp?) Salon. The thing is, they have salons with people that will take the time to learn and care for their hair. We don't have that many. And with some of the natural salons out here, some of them still harp more on style than haircare. I was on one natural salon's website and the natural styles they showed were slammin'! But all of them were WEAVES!
And to think you can make more $$$ with doing relaxed hair than natural, please. There's taking time out to know which relaxer is better for your client, which conditioner is better, which cut will make their hair seem fuller, etc.
And to think you can make more $$$ with doing relaxed hair than natural, please. There's taking time out to know which relaxer is better for your client, which conditioner is better, which cut will make their hair seem fuller, etc.
ladylibra
New Member
I am so glad you had a positive experience! That's the way it should be, but unfortunately we know it's not anything like that most of the time.
don't i know it... for this one good experience i have at least 20 bad ones i could share...
Pheonixx
New Member
To Phoenix
^^LOL
Wow..,
I don't know whether or not you were being facetious but since I tend to laugh at the most innappropriate things anyway--- I'll take it as that (and agree).
A sign is a splendid idea!
It would definitely help the more clueless clients who couldn't just ask for a beautician's specialty during the initial phone call/visit...
I LOL too! No I wasn't being facetious. I am totally serious about the sign. Sure clients should ask during the initial phone call/visit but a lot of people just assume that if a stylist agrees to do their hair, then they think that the stylist must know what they are doing. Often times clients don't even think to ask about preferences or specialties.
I also totally agree that stylist should learn some of the science behind the products, as well as learn how to read ingredient labels. It doesn't have to be overly technical, but the basics would be good, so that future stylist are more aware. It bothers me when I know more about the products they are using than they do.
I studied ingredients so much back in high school that I realized that if you mix the main ingredients in a relaxer with that of a curly perm you would have Nair.
This happened to me once. I paid it, but I never returned.
LOL...ok
(i still think it's funny)
but I can sympathize with some of the frustration. Y'know...because some beauticians are good. Others will just get the hair lookin right and mask problems.
Others can't even do relaxed hair let alone curly/coil/kinky naturals...
I guess I think as I do because I've had all sorts of hairstyles. Ok---when I said I've always had good stylists I was clearly forgetting. There was--one tragic 'incident'...
I've made hair mistakes and I've learned. When I was 18 I had a short tapered cut and....was under the impression that ALL beauticians could cut short hair.
(oh no)
They can't...
Girl...I learned. I went to this 'stylists' chair because my stylist had an emergency and COULDN'T do my hair.
And this broad, here....(tsk) Ugh...
But as I said before, I learned THAT day one special truth:
E'rybody ain't able!
She got told all about herself.
I'm not the type to show out in public --acting crazy, BUT....how you gon get on somebody's head (a short cut nonethless) knowing fully well you can't taper properly? She f-ed my edge-up all the way UP!!!!
(lol)
...and even though it was on me to ask, it was also on her to be upfront about her capabilities.
....and instances like that have made me the person I am today.
Ok--all joking aside, I'm not the type to assume anything about anyone--let alone ppl who do my hair. I know better. You can't. Every stylist can't do every cut/or type of hair. You gotta be on top of your own business. That's just life.
'Due Dilligence...'
Know what I'm sayin....?
I have also witnessed unprofessional behavior from beauty shops too now.
But I had to factor in the location and the clientele....and from there could kinda figure out why certain things are the way they are. I was in the middle of the ghetto...hello?
Dudes were ALWAYS comin in tryin to sell perfume and ish (not a good look for ANY shop, btw).
A crackhead or two was panhandling up the road.
You had little bad a** 'Bebe's' (bebe kids) running around in the middle of the road.
Church's Chicken was right across the street.
Projects was right around the corner. Can't be surprised if ppl act 'project-ish'...
But my stylist could do some HAIR--so I dealt with it. (lol) She was always booked up because them lil ghetto girls were always flocking to her to tighten up them kool-aid color rooster cuts they were always running around in...
Anywho--
Now 'natural hair'...that's a whole 'nother realm that I won't even speak on. Natural heads go through their own struggles that I don't know anything about...
There should be more stylists who do natural hair but I don't think anyone should be forced to do it.
But...when it pertains to relaxed hair and ppl having generally bad experiences and lumpin all stylists together...
From what I've read in here....half the time it's a mistake that coulda been avoided.
I will still say that it is the client's responsibility to do their homework and ensure that the person on their head is properly qualified. I also believe that there are plenty of good stylists out there.
But--hey, that's just what I think. (lol)
Others with different circumstances/experiences will obviously think differently.
So--it's whatever...
Anywho--minus that stylist, you say beauticians you've come across have no understanding of ingredients for the things they've put in your hair? Geeze...I just never ran up on a beauticians who was THAT ignorant about their products. Perhaps I've been lucky...
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karezone
Well-Known Member
I used to be totally anti-stylist but now my opinion has changed. Like some of the posters before me have said it depends on what your stylists goals are. Some are focused on recreating the latest trend in style and color and some focus on the overall health and appearance of the hair.
Unfortunately, getting a stylist that suites you is like finding a good doctor.
I currently have one stylist who I let relax my hair and that is all. Everything else I have to do myself because I have not found one stylist in my price range or area that does not look at me like I am crazy or become angry when I tell them what I want.
As to qualifications, I don't think that there are enough stylists that truly know about hair care. In school they focus on learning to recreate styles and not how to keep the hair healthy, good customer service, or how to run a sucessful business. Part of the blame belongs to cosmetology schools because they really don't teach enough about maintaining hair health and business management. The rest of the blame belongs to the students because if they really wanted to learn they would, they just prefer to make money.
Unfortunately, getting a stylist that suites you is like finding a good doctor.
I currently have one stylist who I let relax my hair and that is all. Everything else I have to do myself because I have not found one stylist in my price range or area that does not look at me like I am crazy or become angry when I tell them what I want.
As to qualifications, I don't think that there are enough stylists that truly know about hair care. In school they focus on learning to recreate styles and not how to keep the hair healthy, good customer service, or how to run a sucessful business. Part of the blame belongs to cosmetology schools because they really don't teach enough about maintaining hair health and business management. The rest of the blame belongs to the students because if they really wanted to learn they would, they just prefer to make money.
Well you;ve made a lot of assumptions. Let me help you out. I've never lived in a place where there was a salon down the block. At least not one that had any clue what to do with black hair.
I'm sorry but bad hairstylists exist at all price points. I've been to a lot of different salons and had the same issues. Stylists don't magically become better at caring for hair because they work out of a higher end salon. If that were the case then most of the women on this sight who spend a fortune on their hair care wouldn't feel the need to be self-styled.
DivaD04
New Member
Miosy not to bring you in the mix but ITA w/ this: I think they should show some qualification to do any type of hair but they can get futher qualifications to do other types of hair.
This is what I was getting at and you worded it perfectly!
thats just plain n simple. it's sad to know that caring and combing virgin hair has to be on an all knew level. Specifically speaking now, I don't think people with kinky hair should have to pay (suffer) for what a stylist lack of.
P i am not going there with you
uh uh...it's not that i don't care like that goodness gracious let me wipe the sweat bead off my forehead, i don't live in the US and haven't for a good minute, i travel every 90 days which is indefinite that's why i'm not up to further my education plus i want to be a new mommy...okay i have a so sweet lil loving independent brat but that's another subject.
why would you settle for almost 40 bucks on natural kinky pbsl hair? Why didn't you give her a consultation? Did you assume her hair? C I can't stand when folks don't tip, me and my friends have an inside joke on that tho. There's no way I'm going to not tip if I know I just got hooked up, oh how I can be a good tipper and I know folks who tip even better. But I will not tip if I get done dirty. Folks don't realize they pay for your personal time. If folks want to complain about prices then they don't want their hair done by you(generally speaking).
This is what I was getting at and you worded it perfectly!
thats just plain n simple. it's sad to know that caring and combing virgin hair has to be on an all knew level. Specifically speaking now, I don't think people with kinky hair should have to pay (suffer) for what a stylist lack of.
P i am not going there with you
uh uh...it's not that i don't care like that goodness gracious let me wipe the sweat bead off my forehead, i don't live in the US and haven't for a good minute, i travel every 90 days which is indefinite that's why i'm not up to further my education plus i want to be a new mommy...okay i have a so sweet lil loving independent brat but that's another subject.why would you settle for almost 40 bucks on natural kinky pbsl hair? Why didn't you give her a consultation? Did you assume her hair? C I can't stand when folks don't tip, me and my friends have an inside joke on that tho. There's no way I'm going to not tip if I know I just got hooked up, oh how I can be a good tipper and I know folks who tip even better. But I will not tip if I get done dirty. Folks don't realize they pay for your personal time. If folks want to complain about prices then they don't want their hair done by you(generally speaking).
Again I just feel like if that something you don't care to learn then thats on you. I don't think that somenoe should be forced to learn to take care of a specific type of hair. IMO doing that would trump the theory that all hair composition is the same (cuticle cortex medula).
Natural (kinky) hair takes alot more patience than someone who has a relaxer or has straight/ loose curly hair. Its just the truth. I can tell you that I deal with a customer that has natural hair its like 3b/4b (it has diff textures through her head). I blow out her hair with a roud brush and flat iron it. I charge her almost $40 (I should've charged her more but since I charged her that the first time i can't go and charge higher the next time
People complain that natural hair salons are expensive but the bottom line is that it takes longer to deal with than other hair. And when you have ppl complaining about hte prices when you spend that kind of time on them you just feel robbed when you feel like you could've made more doing simple haircuts in that same time.
The point is it takes alot of time then in many instances you will get those cutomers that complain about the price even though you did a good job and that blow out lasted her a while.
The thing you have to understand is why are people going to take the time to learn something in school that is not going to be on the liscensing exam? If they want to later on in advanced training (b/c trust me that is avaialbe) they can, but if they don't want to that is fine with me to.
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