LTR as a Deep Conditioner?

[malachi74]

Hey y'all! With all the rave about LTR and the slip it provides and the creaminess and all, I'm wondering if any of you have tried it as a DC and if the results were any good. I've been toting this Herbal Essences coupon around for a few weeks now and I'm just looking for a reason to go to the store and use it. Tell me something good y'all!

 

[Lucky's Mom]

What is LTR????

 

[poookie]

Hey y'all! With all the rave about LTR and the slip it provides and the creaminess and all, I'm wondering if any of you have tried it as a DC and if the results were any good. I've been toting this Herbal Essences coupon around for a few weeks now and I'm just looking for a reason to go to the store and use it. Tell me something good y'all!

i don't think it's meant to use as a deep conditioner, but i've had great results leaving it on my hair overnight, and washing it in the morning. when i do that, my hair gets unbelievably soft, and just the power of the water in the shower is enough to detangle.

LTR = Herbal Essences Long Term Relationship

 

[Iluvsmuhgrass]

Herbal Essences Longterm Relationship. It's goot schtuff! I used it for the first time as a Co wash and it was AWESOME!

I put a little oil on top of it, slapped on a plastic cap, took a shower then rinsed and voila! I lub dis heah hurr.

I guess you could use it as a DC.... I've used it as a leave in on my ends.

 

[malachi74]

Poookie, that sounds perfect for those who co-wash-n-go in the morning! How do you apply for overnight, the same as you would oil moisturizer, or do you drench it and sleep with a cap? The PJ in me has arisen once again. I'm going to try this.

 

[PassionFruit]

I SAID i wasnt gonna buy this stuff... but I had to make a Wally World Run this morning & they had a HE display just about as soon as ya walked in the door.... marked down to $5/bottle from something like $5.83


and that red bottle was calling me name..... so its now sitting in the trunk of my car... since I never finished my flat twists last night ( needed a mirror at work, hence the trip to Walmart) I guess I will try the HE LTR for me co-wash today or tomorrow....

 

[Fine 4s]

Please someone help me understand this...

I've posted this question before with no answer and I really need to get this....

How do we determine what makes a a conditioner a DEEP conditioner vs. one that coats the hair or used for co-washing. What ingredients make it a deep conditioner? I know that if instructions say to leave on for 15 mns or so, that indicates the product is a deep conditioner. But, what about it makes one have to leave it on for 15 mns? I'm wondering because all these homemade deep conditioners we make with avocados, mayo etc. how do we know if it can be considered a DEEP conditioner or not? Is it an ingredient what is it and who sets the standard for this?

Too many questions...

 

[Traycee]

I love LTR as a Co-Wash.....Cheaper conditioners are water down ...it doesn't have as much of the good stuff in it and that is why it is cheaper.....I Love LTR for CO-Washes ...it makes my hair soft and gives me slip ....but I only deep condition with the good stuff.....I never suggest deep conditioning with cheapies because you don't get all the benefits

 

[Dposh167]

Please someone help me understand this...

I've posted this question before with no answer and I really need to get this....

How do we determine what makes a a conditioner a DEEP conditioner vs. one that coats the hair or used for co-washing. What ingredients make it a deep conditioner? I know that if instructions say to leave on for 15 mns or so, that indicates the product is a deep conditioner. But, what about it makes one have to leave it on for 15 mns? I'm wondering because all these homemade deep conditioners we make with avocados, mayo etc. how do we know if it can be considered a DEEP conditioner or not? Is it an ingredient what is it and who sets the standard for this?

Too many questions...

...i've always wanted to know myself! i get tired of hearing that u can DC with a cheapie...then other people say u can't. I don't do it cuz i know cheapies can't penetrate the strands the way real DC's do. But i want to know the ingredient that makes this true....the person who can answer this...all power to u!

 

[malachi74]

Please someone help me understand this...
How do we determine what makes a a conditioner a DEEP conditioner vs. one that coats the hair or used for co-washing. What ingredients make it a deep conditioner? I know that if instructions say to leave on for 15 mns or so, that indicates the product is a deep conditioner....

Cosign, and this was my question, but I tend to get carried away with the other suggestions!!

How come you wouldn't qualify it as a good DC if there are so many raves about it as a wash-out??? The way y'all describe it is as if using it as a DC would be the ultimate condish known to LHCF...i don't get it either Fine 4s.

Will sitting under the dryer with LTR for 30 minutes to an hour (as if it was a DC) cause some kind of damage to the hair or add build-up? will it somehow be ineffective even though it's the bomb as a wash-out?

I don't want to be the one to try it (lol) but if anyone who has had an experience with reg condish as a DC could let us know...

 

[Fine 4s]

Cosign, and this was my question, but I tend to get carried away with the other suggestions!!

How come you wouldn't qualify it as a good DC if there are so many raves about it as a wash-out??? The way y'all describe it is as if using it as a DC would be the ultimate condish known to LHCF...i don't get it either Fine 4s.

Will sitting under the dryer with LTR for 30 minutes to an hour (as if it was a DC) cause some kind of damage to the hair or add build-up? will it somehow be ineffective even though it's the bomb as a wash-out?

I don't want to be the one to try it (lol) but if anyone who has had an experience with reg condish as a DC could let us know...

You know, I had a good discussion/conversation with a scientist from a company called Aquage. He was lliterally in a lab working on new products. He was knowledgeable and knew quite a bit about kinky hair. So I asked some questions. He did say if I had any questions to call him so...he might know the answer to this....now, I have to look for his number to call...

Maybe I'll make this into a seperate thread for the experts to chime in....

 

[MizAvalon]

Please someone help me understand this...

I've posted this question before with no answer and I really need to get this....

How do we determine what makes a a conditioner a DEEP conditioner vs. one that coats the hair or used for co-washing. What ingredients make it a deep conditioner? I know that if instructions say to leave on for 15 mns or so, that indicates the product is a deep conditioner. But, what about it makes one have to leave it on for 15 mns? I'm wondering because all these homemade deep conditioners we make with avocados, mayo etc. how do we know if it can be considered a DEEP conditioner or not? Is it an ingredient what is it and who sets the standard for this?

Too many questions...

I can't remember who started it but there was a thread a while back that discussed this. I think it told the difference and basically just let folks know that just because you leave a conditioner on for longer than recommended or use heat with it it doesn't magically become a DEEP conditioner. It's just a regular conditoner that you left on longer for no reason.

 

[Dposh167]

Cosign, and this was my question, but I tend to get carried away with the other suggestions!!

How come you wouldn't qualify it as a good DC if there are so many raves about it as a wash-out??? The way y'all describe it is as if using it as a DC would be the ultimate condish known to LHCF...i don't get it either Fine 4s.

Will sitting under the dryer with LTR for 30 minutes to an hour (as if it was a DC) cause some kind of damage to the hair or add build-up? will it somehow be ineffective even though it's the bomb as a wash-out?

I don't want to be the one to try it (lol) but if anyone who has had an experience with reg condish as a DC could let us know...

[sistaclick] explained in one of her articles about the penetration factor btwn conditioners that are 3-5 min rinse outs vs 10-20min deep conditioners. can't really remember exact details so correct me if i'm wrong...Cheap rinse-out conditioners are only able to penetrate within a certain part of the hair strand. So i think no matter how long u leave it on ur hair (w/ heat or not), its not gonna reach deeply within the hairshaft to give it moisture, the way a real deep conditioner would.

But then it goes back to the origninal question of "what ingredient in a DC makes this possible"? that i don't know...but until i find out, i will only DC with conditioners that state its a DC & should stay on longer than 3-5 mins.

 

[missnurselady]

ITA!!! I LOVE THAT STUFF

i don't think it's meant to use as a deep conditioner, but i've had great results leaving it on my hair overnight, and washing it in the morning. when i do that, my hair gets unbelievably soft, and just the power of the water in the shower is enough to detangle.

LTR = Herbal Essences Long Term Relationship

 

[Napp]

i remebr doing it over night. it left my hair very coated and icky feeling i had to clarify and start all over again. i wouldnt recommend it.

 

[chebaby]

i just bought this stuff but have not used it yet. should i use it with the same shampoo because from what i remember HE shampoos strip my hair(not necessarilly LTR)

 

[Brownie518]

Hey y'all! With all the rave about LTR and the slip it provides and the creaminess and all, I'm wondering if any of you have tried it as a DC and if the results were any good. I've been toting this Herbal Essences coupon around for a few weeks now and I'm just looking for a reason to go to the store and use it. Tell me something good y'all!

Your hair is soooo pretty!!!!!

 

[naturalmanenyc]

http://healthytextures.typepad.com/my_journey_to_healthy_hai/2007/06/beginning_you_h.html#more

Beginning your Hair Journey V - Conditioners 101

Conditioning is extremely important for highly textured hair. Conditioning helps prevent damage from heat styling tools and replaces moisture and vital proteins into the hair shaft. It is particularly important for those with damaged or chemically treated hair. While you can not repair damaged hair, you can restore luster, shine and strength while the damaged hair grows long enough to be replaced.



How Conditioners Work

Our hair is comprised of three layers: the medulla, the cortex and the cuticle. The medulla is the innermost layer of the hair shaft and is merely a hollow canal of protein. All of the other layers are formed around the medulla. The cortex is the second layer. The color forming pigments that determine your hair color as well as the bonds that determine the shape of your hair are located in this layer. The cuticle, or outermost layer, shields the cortex by forming a protective barrier of overlapping scales, sort of like shingles on a house. When the cuticles lay flat, they reflect light and make the hair appear shiny and healthy. Conditioners try to artificially re-create the appearance of healthy hair by using special chemical agents to penetrate the cortex and seal the cuticle.


Instant Conditioners

There are three main conditioners; instant, deep penetrating and leave-in. Instant Conditioners are applied to the hair and then rinsed out after a few minutes. They attempt to smooth the cuticles and coat the hair shaft to make the hair look shiny and healthy. They work by coating the cuticle with a microfilm coating, usually a wax, that fills in or lays down the cuticle to make it shine and/or easier to detangle.

However, artificially laying down the cuticle will only provide a temporary fix. If you really want results, you need to deep condition with a penetrating conditioner. Deep conditioners use natural body heat or artificial heat from a hood dryer to lift the cuticle and penetrate the cortex.


Deep Penetrating Conditioners

There are two main types of deep or penetrating conditioners; moisture and protein.

Protein based conditioners are designed to increase the diameter of the hair with a coating action. This will strengthen the hair and add body.
Hair that is severely damaged will need a concentrated protein conditioner. These conditioners are designed to pass through the cuticle, penetrate the cortex and replace keratin lost during chemical services. They are designed to equalize porosity, increase elasticity and improve overall appearance. Because the hair is filled with new keratin, it will feel hard after use and should be followed with a moisturizing conditioner to soften and lubricate the hair shaft. Concentrated protein are NOT recommended for use after a chemical treatment like a relaxer, color or perm. These conditioners will disrupt the desired rearrangement of protein bonds formed by these chemical services.

In addition, to protein based conditioners, there are moisturizing deep penetrating conditioners. These conditioners contain humectants that attract moisture and are absorbed into the hair cortex. The difference between instant and deep moisturizing conditioner is that deep treatments contain a quaternary ammonium component included in the chemical formulation of moisturizers so they are able to attach themselves to the hair fiber and provide longer lasting moisture.


Which Conditioner to Use

An excellent deep conditioning treatment will be a little bit of both. High quality deep conditioners usually contain a concentrated protein in a heavy cream based moisturizer. This will provide deposit moisture and strength into the hair shaft. When used consistently, this deep conditioning treatment will reduce cuticle roughness, strengthen the strands and make the hair more manageable and shiny. This is why it is important to deep condition once a week every week.

As a general rule of thumb, deep penetrating conditioners will instruct you (on the back of the bottle) to leave the product on for 10-20 minutes.


Leave-In Conditioners

Leave-in conditioners are designed to protect the hair from styling and day to day handling. Leave-in conditioners work by placing a positive buildup on the hair shaft which will add elasticity and act as a band-aid on damaged parts of the hair strands.

 

[PassionFruit]

tried the LTR conditioner last night.. Im not overly impressed... worked just as well as my Suave.. and its $4 more expensive

 

[Iluvsmuhgrass]

I love the leave-in. my hair likey.

 

[anon123]

Thanks for the post, Reg's Wife. So to put that knowledge into practice, does that mean that for deep conditioners we should look for something that contains one of these things?:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Quaternary_ammonium_compounds

I see the cetrimonium chloride is in both of my V05 conditioners. it's probably in many other conditioners, it looks familiar to me. I don't have LTR, but I have Totally Twisted by HE and in my quick scan didn't see anything from this list in there.

 

[glamazon386]

I wouldn't use it as a DC (for the reasons mentioned above about it not being deep penetrating) but if you try it, let us know how it works out.

 

[PAPRIKA]

What is LTR????

Herbal Essence's Long Term Relationship

 

[Coffee]

Well me with my short hair decided to try LTR and all I can say is "WOW", I have found my staple shampoo and condish. It is just wonderful, it's a good thing my hair isn't any longer.....I'd have whiplash.