Why so quiet about BGC?

[snoop]

Maybe I'm just not online enough or on the wrong parts of the Interwebs, but the business is shutting down in two days and it seems kinda quiet out here. I will admit, I didn't follow anything that they were doing after hearing the name of the book and hearing Aeleise (?) speak, but I didn't think that what they were saying made a lot of sense or maybe the message was more of a broken telephone and those people who didn't buy the book had to hear what everyone else repeat what they thought they heard/read.

I only found out today that the book was being offered for free last month.

They're shutting down their Instagram page on Friday. That's a lot. Now I'm going to have to backtrack to find out just how bad things got to pull these extreme measures.

 

[Napp]

I never got into them but I have been keeping abreast of the hair shenanigans through afrikan hair gods videos. He had his foot on their neck for a while lol

 

[snoop]

I never got into them but I have been keeping abreast of the hair shenanigans through afrikan hair gods videos. He had his foot on their neck for a while lol

I don't really follow him either, but I'm more than halfway through his last video on Cut It Kinky. I did find out that the books were available for free... last month. I managed to find a copies online and so I'm excited to read through and discover what I'd missed (i.e. what was the revolutionary information that started it all).

He mentioned a split between Aeleise and Aisha and I didn't know about that. When? Why? I feel like I need to backtrack through some videos before more stuff gets deleted.

 

[MzSwift]

I have no idea who either of these groups of ppl are but I'm here to learn.

 

[snoop]

I have no idea who either of these groups of ppl are but I'm here to learn.

African Hair God, is a male stylist who runs a YouTube channel.

Aeleise and Aisha are the Black Girl Curls/Cut It Kinky ladies (same people, two businesses?) or better known as the people who started the "no oils, no butters" movement.

 

[Lylddlebit]

I never followed their methods. You don't need a 30-day detox for what a good clarifying shampoo yields, raking definition into submission, followed by allowing your hair to regularly dry out to maintain a long-term wash-n-go is damaging and everyone on here knew curly cuts gave uneven hair back when the deva cut was popular. I have sympathy for the ladies who experienced damage following their method. The creators of this method basically took things that actually worked and misappropriated them within a damaging context. They tried to change the practices enough to create a unique platform, but it was style-based, as opposed to a haircare-based routine. This is pretty common with many stylists, and truth be told, it can work for individuals who know their hair well enough to offset the damaging parts or use their method for sporadic styling instead of a routine regimen. The biggest issue was they marketed it as a healthy haircare regimen when it never actually was one.

 

[msbettyboop]

I don't know who any of these people are, but imma be reading the thread....

 

[classychic1908]

@snoop I'd like to read the book, how can I get a copy?

 

[snoop]

@snoop I'd like to read the book, how can I get a copy?

I sent you a DM

 

[Lylddlebit]

This is pretty interesting because most of the ladies on this board were perceptive the the shortfalls within this routine and provided warnings before the "great hairwakening" (yeah, that is what I will call it) occurred.

I've always been more into versatility than wash and go's specifically, but I do remember reading women saying "be careful of that no oil and butters", or "you need to blow dry to trim" as small tweaks that made a difference. It seems those who applied baseline haircare approaches to the method weren't burned as badly as those who jumped in full throttle.

 

[snoop]

This is pretty interesting because most of the ladies on this board were perceptive the the shortfalls within this routine and provided warnings before the "great hairwakening" (yeah, that is what I will call it) occurred.

I've always been more into versatility than wash and go's specifically, but I do remember reading women saying "be careful of that no oil and butters", or "you need to blow dry to trim" as small tweaks that made a difference. It seems those who applied baseline haircare approaches to the method weren't burned as badly as those who jumped in full throttle.

This is something that I noticed as well on the board and on Insta. The people who knew their hair or were hair enthusiasts were able to articulate why (in theory) people would run into problems with this method, but a lot were being shut down because they weren't licensed. I feel like, people were just starting to feel empowered to care for their own hair when these guys came along and put out strong messaging that if you did that you were a fool.

I didn't follow closely to know why the curly cuts were problematic. Is it because when you cut curly and straighten your hair it doesn't look good? Were people expecting that one cutting method would work with every hair style?

 

[SmilingElephant]

I didn't really know who was behind the "No butters/oils" ideology until I started seeing Shelly V and Afrikan Hair God talk about it on YouTube.

I mean, I remember hearing about it and was like "Ugh! Another hair fad!" I just didn't know who the ppl were.

Hair NEEDS moisture and some sort of emollient to be healthy. I just remember being like "I'm not following that! That sounds crazy!"

 

[Lylddlebit]

This is something that I noticed as well on the board and on Insta. The people who knew their hair or were hair enthusiasts were able to articulate why (in theory) people would run into problems with this method, but a lot were being shut down because they weren't licensed. I feel like, people were just starting to feel empowered to care for their own hair when these guys came along and put out strong messaging that if you did that you were a fool.

I didn't follow closely to know why the curly cuts were problematic. Is it because when you cut curly and straighten your hair it doesn't look good? Were people expecting that one cutting method would work with every hair style?

A person may have different hair types or shrinkage levels from strand to strand. So, cutting hair that is not streched can lead to different lengths and choppy pieces. That alone is not a big issue for those who don't wear their hair straight. Just because hair is uneven does not make it unhealthy. The real issue lies in the ability of natural hair to mask damage like single-strand knots, split ends, thinning, and weathering/erosion. Stretching and straightening hair provides better visibility into its overall condition. Stretched and straightened hair provides different lines of sight to the full condition of the hair. So, when someone always wears their hair naturally, they may not see much day-to-day practical impact for forgoing stretches. However, to those who wear their hair straight and stretched and want a closer look at the full condition of each strand, altering the state provides a larger line of sight.

Single-strand knots and split ends are types of damage that naturally spread. Cutting them off promptly prevents the knots from tangling with other hair and the splits from traveling further up the hair shaft. Not cutting them allows the damage to become more extensive. Now, when people act like a split is going to travel up 20 inches from ends to roots and fall out of the head, they are being extra. Generally split and knotted hair tangles with healthy hair to cause damage to the healthy strand and will break off. 1 single-strand knot can tangle 10 healthy strands around it. Noting that, it's still important to me that I protect healthy hair by removing damaged sections that can snag and tangle healthy strands or limit the versatility with which I wear my hair. I hope this is helpful.

Curly cuts alone didn't damage folks hair. It just cut it unevenly. They aren't that big of a deal for those who wear their hair natural all the time, but they will never be as precise as a cut on stretched or straightened hair. Those up-the-strand splits that many noticed were mechanical damage. A lot of ladies practiced forcing definition into submission within the method. I completed wash and go's on my little girl for around 5 months to help me break the cycle of her pulling her hair last year by letting her hair be free of accessories to pull on. During that time, I watched a lot of wash-and-go ladies. When women used this specific method, I noticed most of them utilized an excessive amount of manipulation on wash day...literally combing and raking for over an hour on a wash day, for definition. I consider that excessive. That was too harsh for my liking, so I definitely didn't apply it to my little girl. Her hair was fine when we finished 5 months later, and she went back to regular little girl styles with the hair-pulling habit behind her and wash-n-go's remaining in her arsenal. The only reason I didn't post an update is that it was around the time of her emergency, and I shifted focus.

I hope that people don't count out wash-and-go's altogether. Most things done wrong cause damage, and this option as a method wasn't sustainable, but wash-and-go's can be a good tool and styling option within a stable and healthy regimen.

 

[BeautifulRoots]

I didn't follow closely to know why the curly cuts were problematic. Is it because when you cut curly and straighten your hair it doesn't look good? Were people expecting that one cutting method would work with every hair style?

I realize this was before the "no oils/no butters" thing became popular...but I got a deva cut in 2013 and my hair has never been the same.

The shape was cute for a year or so, but my hair was much healthier when it was all one length. Split ends, breakage, and single strand knots galore. I swore to never get another deva cut after that.

For me, the deva cut made my hair more prone to damage due to the different layers catching on to other strands during washing and styling. That was just my experience though, others may have had a better experience with it.

 

[snoop]

A person may have different hair types or shrinkage levels from strand to strand. So, cutting hair that is not streched can lead to different lengths and choppy pieces. That alone is not a big issue for those who don't wear their hair straight. Just because hair is uneven does not make it unhealthy. The real issue lies in the ability of natural hair to mask damage like single-strand knots, split ends, thinning, and weathering/erosion. Stretching and straightening hair provides better visibility into its overall condition. Stretched and straightened hair provides different lines of sight to the full condition of the hair. So, when someone always wears their hair naturally, they may not see much day-to-day practical impact for forgoing stretches. However, to those who wear their hair straight and stretched and want a closer look at the full condition of each strand, altering the state provides a larger line of sight.

Single-strand knots and split ends are types of damage that naturally spread. Cutting them off promptly prevents the knots from tangling with other hair and the splits from traveling further up the hair shaft. Not cutting them allows the damage to become more extensive. Now, when people act like a split is going to travel up 20 inches from ends to roots and fall out of the head, they are being extra. Generally split and knotted hair tangles with healthy hair to cause damage to the healthy strand and will break off. 1 single-strand knot can tangle 10 healthy strands around it. Noting that, it's still important to me that I protect healthy hair by removing damaged sections that can snag and tangle healthy strands or limit the versatility with which I wear my hair. I hope this is helpful.

Curly cuts alone didn't damage folks hair. It just cut it unevenly. They aren't that big of a deal for those who wear their hair natural all the time, but they will never be as precise as a cut on stretched or straightened hair. Those up-the-strand splits that many noticed were mechanical damage. A lot of ladies practiced forcing definition into submission within the method. I completed wash and go's on my little girl for around 5 months to help me break the cycle of her pulling her hair last year by letting her hair be free of accessories to pull on. During that time, I watched a lot of wash-and-go ladies. When women used this specific method, I noticed most of them utilized an excessive amount of manipulation on wash day...literally combing and raking for over an hour on a wash day, for definition. I consider that excessive. That was too harsh for my liking, so I definitely didn't apply it to my little girl. Her hair was fine when we finished 5 months later, and she went back to regular little girl styles with the hair-pulling habit behind her and wash-n-go's remaining in her arsenal. The only reason I didn't post an update is that it was around the time of her emergency, and I shifted focus.

I hope that people don't count out wash-and-go's altogether. Most things done wrong cause damage, and this option as a method wasn't sustainable, but wash-and-go's can be a good tool and styling option within a stable and healthy regimen.

Thank you for this response. I think that I mentioned this already: even though I don't wear wash and go's they look great and some of the outcomes that I saw specifically on 4c hair looked amazing!

I guess, where I get confused is that if a curly cut is made or a cut is made on hair in a curly state and the style is maintained and trimmed regularly, shouldn't the hair weather the same way that it would if your hair is trimmed in, let's say two strand twists? I guess, I'm wondering if the frequency and depth of the trim would be more indicative of the health of the hair over time rather than the fact that it's trimmed straight or not? I know that there are some people who straighten their hair once or twice per year to trim it, so I'm wondering why they don't report dissatisfaction with their progress as people are supposedly claiming. (I'm saying "supposedly" because I haven't had a chance to watch any videos of people actually describing what actually happened to their hair, so I don't want to detail what those problems were/are.) I'm asking for real, since I trim my own hair...in it's natural state.

You also brought up two things that irk me in the hair community, but I might have to start another thread to vent about it: 1. the idea that a split hair will travel "all the way up" the strand. 2. When people talk about single strand knots that have more than one hair.

 

[snoop]

I realize this was before the "no oils/no butters" thing became popular...but I got a deva cut in 2013 and my hair has never been the same.

The shape was cute for a year or so, but my hair was much healthier when it was all one length. Split ends, breakage, and single strand knots galore. I swore to never get another deva cut after that.

For me, the deva cut made my hair more prone to damage due to the different layers catching on to other strands during washing and styling. That was just my experience though, others may have had a better experience with it.

I honestly never thought about the ends of the shorter hairs catching on the longer hairs, but that makes sense.

 

[snoop]

I didn't really know who was behind the "No butters/oils" ideology until I started seeing Shelly V and Afrikan Hair God talk about it on YouTube.

I mean, I remember hearing about it and was like "Ugh! Another hair fad!" I just didn't know who the ppl were.

Hair NEEDS moisture and some sort of emollient to be healthy. I just remember being like "I'm not following that! That sounds crazy!"

Right? Like your hair is making its own oils for a reason. Also, why switch to water-based products when you are going to cleanse your hair 18 times over each wash.

 

[GGsKin]

Thank you for this response. I think that I mentioned this already: even though I don't wear wash and go's they look great and some of the outcomes that I saw specifically on 4c hair looked amazing!

I guess, where I get confused is that if a curly cut is made or a cut is made on hair in a curly state and the style is maintained and trimmed regularly, shouldn't the hair weather the same way that it would if your hair is trimmed in, let's say two strand twists? I guess, I'm wondering if the frequency and depth of the trim would be more indicative of the health of the hair over time rather than the fact that it's trimmed straight or not? I know that there are some people who straighten their hair once or twice per year to trim it, so I'm wondering why they don't report dissatisfaction with their progress as people are supposedly claiming. (I'm saying "supposedly" because I haven't had a chance to watch any videos of people actually describing what actually happened to their hair, so I don't want to detail what those problems were/are.) I'm asking for real, since I trim my own hair...in it's natural state.

You also brought up two things that irk me in the hair community, but I might have to start another thread to vent about it: 1. the idea that a split hair will travel "all the way up" the strand. 2. When people talk about single strand knots that have more than one hair.

A lot of the people who had them as their stylists and followed their regimen, found they were over cleansing their hair by routinely using clarifying shampoos. Apply the ‘no oils, no butter’ mantra, and this lead to hair that showed signs of chronic dryness. When certain patrons tried to seek help and advice from said stylists, it seems they were not met with warmth or concern, but defensiveness and blame. One lady said she was fired from the books.

Throw in that everyone seemed to get a cut and paste advise and curly cuts, that ended up being quite choppy and disconnected when worn straight, showed their lack of insight and ‘bedside manner’ in general and as stylists.

 

[VinDieselsWifey]

I never followed them because my hair loves oils & butters. I did go and download all the free e-books when they announced it

I watched some of the YouTuber Afrikan Hair god’s videos and he talked about how people’s hair was losing its natural color and becoming damaged. One of their stylists tried to blame her changing hair color on something else. I saw some of the former clients and one of their own trained stylist talk about being treated horribly after coming to them for help.

 

[Lute]

*raises hand*.
I watch African Hair God every now and then. He can be a bit harsh since he doesn't mix his words. But I do appreciate his honesty on bad hair care practices. Not to long ago, he spoke very negatively and harshly about curly cuts and how it does more harm than good to the hair.

 

[spacetygrss]

I don’t know who these people are, but I definitely remember when the “no oils/butters” thing came about. In fact, there were a couple of people on this board who jumped on the bandwagon and tried to convince people that it was a great idea. I remember posting something along the lines of “As for me and my hair, I’m coating it in shea butter.”
Sad that some people had to learn the hard way.

 

[VarieYvette]

I don’t know who these people are, but I definitely remember when the “no oils/butters” thing came about. In fact, there were a couple of people on this board who jumped on the bandwagon and tried to convince people that it was a great idea. I remember posting something along the lines of “As for me and my hair, I’m coating it in shea butter.”
Sad that some people had to learn the hard way.

I agree with your take. No butters and oils may work for some, but I'm not one of them. My hair has always loved a heavy oil/butter to stay healthy

 

[Lylddlebit]

Thank you for this response. I think that I mentioned this already: even though I don't wear wash and go's they look great and some of the outcomes that I saw specifically on 4c hair looked amazing!

I guess, where I get confused is that if a curly cut is made or a cut is made on hair in a curly state and the style is maintained and trimmed regularly, shouldn't the hair weather the same way that it would if your hair is trimmed in, let's say two strand twists? I guess, I'm wondering if the frequency and depth of the trim would be more indicative of the health of the hair over time rather than the fact that it's trimmed straight or not? I know that there are some people who straighten their hair once or twice per year to trim it, so I'm wondering why they don't report dissatisfaction with their progress as people are supposedly claiming. (I'm saying "supposedly" because I haven't had a chance to watch any videos of people actually describing what actually happened to their hair, so I don't want to detail what those problems were/are.) I'm asking for real, since I trim my own hair...in it's natural state.

You also brought up two things that irk me in the hair community, but I might have to start another thread to vent about it: 1. the idea that a split hair will travel "all the way up" the strand. 2. When people talk about single strand knots that have more than one hair.
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Hi there. It is different. Two-strand twists offer a degree of protection because groups of hairs are wrapped around themselves, shielding some hairs within the twists. A wash-and-go style is different because the "clumps" typically group a smaller volume of hair into a "unit". I actually think of the scripture that says, "One can be defeated, two can defend themselves, and three are not easily broken." That can be applied to hair. The more hair within a unit, the stronger it becomes against damage—a self-sustaining army, if you will. If your twists are full of moisture and lubrication in that unit as opposed to a clump that needed hold, the hair in the twists is typically more nourished than a wash-and-go clump.

Many people trim their natural hair, and it works well for their daily styling preferences. However, if they stretch their hair (through twists, roller sets, threading, or another method) or straighten it, they may see surprises in uniformity that the twists hide. For example, I've had my hair in luscious, supple back-to-back twists that looked uniform and stretched down my back. But when I stretched or straightened my hair a season later, I found a small patch of breakage above my left ear, more splits than baseline in the crown, or maybe some thinning that I didn't remember being there before (just examples from past experiences). Looking at the twists that contained those broken hairs, they may have appeared full and uniform, but stretching allowed me to see the damage that was masked when my hair was saturated with moisture and tucked away. In hindsight, I might realize that's where my over-the-ear headphones rested or where I scratched more than usual. No problem, I just snip the ends of those broken hairs in a search and destroy or trim them before they grab hold of healthy hair. When I wasn't cognizant, it just seemed like I needed to search and destroy every style/wash day, but when my hair was healthy, I noticed wash days where I would look for splits and knots only to find few or none at all. As time went on, I realized being able to go longer between search and destroy indicated healthy hair that didn't require trims as often. I had to hunt down ssks and split ends and they were hard to find. Being able to clearly see my hair helped me cut it for health more efficiently the times I trimmed.

Also, if I trim my twisted, semi-stretched hair, I may be looking at a 1/2 inch of natural hair in my hand, only to run the flat iron over it and see it stretched out to over 2 inches. Two inches is significant for limited visibility during an intended trim. So if I am growing, as opposed to just maintaining, I may not want to give up that much length in a trim...especially if I was trimming frequently. Trimming my twisted or natural hair may address the "point of need" for maintenance cuts if I want to wear back-to-back twists but keep those twists uniform. However, I may not be able to see my hair becoming a bit uneven, a patch of hidden thinning or breakage, until I stretch or straighten it.

Speaking for myself, I find that my natural hair helps me see its elasticity. Blow-dried hair shows me its thickness and uniformity, and pressed hair helps me see the precision of my ends and get ahead of split ends. Going from straight to stretch to natural helps me to evaluate tensile strength with the expectation that healthy hair can withstand styling. When I wear my hair pressed back-to-back, I may notice less uniformity when I go back to stretched hair. When I wear my hair in back-to-back natural styles, I may have an influx of single-strand knots or split ends that I didn't see or feel at all. When I wear my hair stretched back-to-back, my ends may be uniform in thickness but not precise when it falls down my back. So, I do prefer to check in on my hair across conditions to provide a wide perspective about my hair's overall health. It isn't required, but I find it thorough.

You definitely don't have to trim your hair straight, but you will see things in stretched hair that aren't easy to see when it's in its natural state if you decide to stretch/straighten it.

 

[Lylddlebit]

I don’t know who these people are, but I definitely remember when the “no oils/butters” thing came about. In fact, there were a couple of people on this board who jumped on the bandwagon and tried to convince people that it was a great idea. I remember posting something along the lines of “As for me and my hair, I’m coating it in shea butter.”
Sad that some people had to learn the hard way.

@ the bolded...I heard that! Hahaha

 

[snoop]

Hi there. It is different. Two-strand twists offer a degree of protection because groups of hairs are wrapped around themselves, shielding some hairs within the twists. A wash-and-go style is different because the "clumps" typically group a smaller volume of hair into a "unit". I actually think of the scripture that says, "One can be defeated, two can defend themselves, and three are not easily broken." That can be applied to hair. The more hair within a unit, the stronger it becomes against damage—a self-sustaining army, if you will. If your twists are full of moisture and lubrication in that unit as opposed to a clump that needed hold, the hair in the twists is typically more nourished than a wash-and-go clump.

Many people trim their natural hair, and it works well for their daily styling preferences. However, if they stretch their hair (through twists, roller sets, threading, or another method) or straighten it, they may see surprises in uniformity that the twists hide. For example, I've had my hair in luscious, supple back-to-back twists that looked uniform and stretched down my back. But when I stretched or straightened my hair a season later, I found a small patch of breakage above my left ear, more splits than baseline in the crown, or maybe some thinning that I didn't remember being there before (just examples from past experiences). Looking at the twists that contained those broken hairs, they may have appeared full and uniform, but stretching allowed me to see the damage that was masked when my hair was saturated with moisture and tucked away. In hindsight, I might realize that's where my over-the-ear headphones rested or where I scratched more than usual. No problem, I just snip the ends of those broken hairs in a search and destroy or trim them before they grab hold of healthy hair. When I wasn't cognizant, it just seemed like I needed to search and destroy every style/wash day, but when my hair was healthy, I noticed wash days where I would look for splits and knots only to find few or none at all. As time went on, I realized being able to go longer between search and destroy indicated healthy hair that didn't require trims as often. I had to hunt down ssks and split ends and they were hard to find. Being able to clearly see my hair helped me cut it for health more efficiently the times I trimmed.

Also, if I trim my twisted, semi-stretched hair, I may be looking at a 1/2 inch of natural hair in my hand, only to run the flat iron over it and see it stretched out to over 2 inches. Two inches is significant for limited visibility during an intended trim. So if I am growing, as opposed to just maintaining, I may not want to give up that much length in a trim...especially if I was trimming frequently. Trimming my twisted or natural hair may address the "point of need" for maintenance cuts if I want to wear back-to-back twists but keep those twists uniform. However, I may not be able to see my hair becoming a bit uneven, a patch of hidden thinning or breakage, until I stretch or straighten it.

Speaking for myself, I find that my natural hair helps me see its elasticity. Blow-dried hair shows me its thickness and uniformity, and pressed hair helps me see the precision of my ends and get ahead of split ends. Going from straight to stretch to natural helps me to evaluate tensile strength with the expectation that healthy hair can withstand styling. When I wear my hair pressed back-to-back, I may notice less uniformity when I go back to stretched hair. When I wear my hair in back-to-back natural styles, I may have an influx of single-strand knots or split ends that I didn't see or feel at all. When I wear my hair stretched back-to-back, my ends may be uniform in thickness but not precise when it falls down my back. So, I do prefer to check in on my hair across conditions to provide a wide perspective about my hair's overall health. It isn't required, but I find it thorough.

You definitely don't have to trim your hair straight, but you will see things in stretched hair that aren't easy to see when it's in its natural state if you decide to stretch/straighten it.

This makes a lot of sense to me and confirms what I suspected, but sometimes doubted.

Over the last year or so, I've stolen the idea of (micro) trimming my ends in curls. This is because I found that raking my hair under water, over time, caused my hair to clump. So, similar to your analogy, I will examine a clump of hair and trim. Then I will install two strand twist and wear those. So, I feel like I have my "groups of three" joining other "groups of three" hopefully adding more strength in that way.

I'm not confident in heat straightening my own hair and I'm not fully confident to trust someone else to touch my hair, but there's always something to learn and possible workarounds to be created.

Thank so much for this explanation. I'll use it to further refine my trimming process.

 

[Bette Davis Eyes]

What I have always said is what they have missed is for styling , wash and go’s I don’t use oils and butters. However the washing process, contains oils and butters.

So, pre pooing, shampooing , conditioning and deep conditioning have always contained all the emollients needed but when it got to the styling part there was never a need for a product with oil or butter for a wash and go.

I would randomly pop up and mention it and keep it moving.

It’s always a fad that pops up. Folks jump and then , trial and error.

 

[snoop]

What I have always said is what they have missed is for styling , wash and go’s I don’t use oils and butters. However the washing process, contains oils and butters.

So, pre pooing, shampooing , conditioning and deep conditioning have always contained all the emollients needed but when it got to the styling part there was never a need for a product with oil or butter for a wash and go.

I would randomly pop up and mention it and keep it moving.

It’s always a fad that pops up. Folks jump and then , trial and error.

This is what I thought the message was supposed to be. I've never done a wash and go on my hair, but I viewed some discussions on the board in passing to see how they are done, I assumed that the oils would cause the coils to fall. So in theory, one would wash with a moisturizing shampoo and conditioner (or whatever products worked for their hair) but when setting the coils you wouldn't/shouldn't need to add oils set or break any casts if you are using the right products?

I figure there must be some ladies on the board still doing regular wash n goes who have taken something out of the original process, but modified it with the knowledge base that they'd gained from their own experience and/or from the board.

 

[Bette Davis Eyes]

I’ve always used products that type 3 used because heavy products weigh my hair down even as a Type 4. My hair is fine. So when I started wearing it curly I noticed that I didn’t need any products that had oils in it whatsoever. I only need water based products for styling. And if the dew points are great, humectants are the love of my life but I LOVE deep conditioning. So to keep my hair healthy I’ve always made sure my conditioning has all the emollients needed.

So no oils and butters in styling. Honestly , if I wasn’t in the north I could even twist with honey alone and my hair would be happy

Because I colored in the winter I use a lot of pomades and butters and kept it twisted to minimize manipulating it and keeping the moisture in for longer.

My hair loves water though and the more I wash it the quicker it grows because my scalp is clean and my hair is getting soaked , cleansed regularly.

They had a great thing but that no emollients was wrong. As well as their tone.

 

[faithVA]

This is what I thought the message was supposed to be. I've never done a wash and go on my hair, but I viewed some discussions on the board in passing to see how they are done, I assumed that the oils would cause the coils to fall. So in theory, one would wash with a moisturizing shampoo and conditioner (or whatever products worked for their hair) but when setting the coils you wouldn't/shouldn't need to add oils set or break any casts if you are using the right products?

I figure there must be some ladies on the board still doing regular wash n goes who have taken something out of the original process, but modified it with the knowledge base that they'd gained from their own experience and/or from the board.

That is what the message was when they first started. I still have the original materials. I didn't read the book. But in their hour long videos and the pdfs they shared, the information was related primarily to wash and goes. Use balanced products and look for products where oils and butters aren't in the top 5 ingredients. Then use botanical type gels in layers. It was not a one size fit all approach but it started with them trying to educate how to select the right products, based on the hair and the situation.

Unfortunately, what I saw was people said we don't want to hear the background, just give us the steps. And with most messages it gets distorted over time. There is what they said, and then there is what people said they said. But enough people got what they needed and moved on.

 

[B_Phlyy]

I don't really follow him either, but I'm more than halfway through his last video on Cut It Kinky. I did find out that the books were available for free... last month. I managed to find a copies online and so I'm excited to read through and discover what I'd missed (i.e. what was the revolutionary information that started it all).

He mentioned a split between Aeleise and Aisha and I didn't know about that. When? Why? I feel like I need to backtrack through some videos before more stuff gets deleted.

Where did you get free copies of the book? I want to read it as well.