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help me :what relaxer for fine 4b virgin hair?

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coolsista-paris

coolsista-paris

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all right, ive been thinking of it for over 8 months.... after being natural for 5 years i want to change.
i liked it but im bored now. twists dont do well on me,it breaks wearing it naturaly out...etc at work a bun/chignon is obligation and forcing it with with stretched hair loss my edges...
im done and i have no time for all that (busy life)..

hair is hair i can always go back natural whenever i want ( i was almost gonna cut it to twa and do a halle berry short cut too) ...

anyway
so, im looking for results like in judy4all video:

http://youtu.be/WvzIBYr-JDA

i will only air dry like she does.

is it possible to have that result by texlaxing or is it only by relaxing?

im with fine hair (4b- and a crown harder than te rest...).

what should i choose? mild i guess?
but then i saw positive reviews on these:
-phyto 1...or 2
-design essentials
-affirm
-optimum ( dont know which one though)
-mizani (either butter blend or the normal mild one )?

at first i was gonna choose a child relaxer...but i think i should take normal ones i listed.

i have no idea of how long i should leave it in( i dont want bone straight).
i wonder if i will have time to finish applying on my own without overprocessing...but then that could happen at the salon too.

im lost ! very lost.

dont even remember if i need to do treatment before i relax/ texlax.... forgot everything!

shortdub78, need you in here too please :-)
 
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cool-sisterparis
Its best to have your hair already detangled, moisturized and completely smooth from conditioning before you start the process. If not you will leave it in too long.

I recommend no lye for 4c hair. Lye will barely straighten your hair. But maybe thats what you want. The thing about no lye is you have to be quick and thorough so you can wash it out on time. I only leave in for EXACTLY 13 mins!! This leaves me a little bit of texture.

These YTers show you exactly how to prep the hair before relaxing. I watched them and now my application technique is perfect.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1VR2st-RHQ8
This YTer knows a lot but the vid is kind of long. She tells you to FF if you only want to hear about relaxer.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GPkSNjf8aBI
This lady has thick WL texlaxed hair. She uses lye which I don't like but her hair is gorgeous. She is very detailed on showing her regimen. She also does the half-half method.

ETA: When I used to go to the salon for relaxers they used either Affirm or Mizani BB. Affirm gave me big dry flakes all over plus a lot of shedding and breakage. The Mizani BB is really nice and moisturizing though. I liked it :)
 
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i would use lye. lye usually leaves texture. Mizani Butter Blends, Linage. i like a little texture left, but i prefer bone straight hair. i use Nairobi.
 
I prefer lye as well. I know from personal experience about Mizani BB (mild formula) and Nairobi Pamper (fine or chemically treated hair). Mizani got me too straight and the Nairobi Pamper is perfect for leaving texture, I have fine hair too.

It's true, you have to be sure to thoroughly detangle down to the roots or else it'll be difficult to work through and you'll either over process, get chemical burns or both. My last relaxer was almost a disaster because of this, I thought I had detangled well enough. She couldn't work fast because of the knots at my scalp and ended up processing me for 21 minutes...the instructions says 8-13. Even still, I got one burn and my hair has texture still, especially the nape and front where she applied last.

I also read lots if texlaxers with fine hair use ORS Regular with awesome results. Check out Jeni's blog at Just Grow Already. She has fine, high density, type 4 waist length hair and she uses ORS Regular. She does the half/half method and apply only apply and smooth each half for 8 minutes.

Also, I would suggest going to a TRUSTED stylist if possible to o your virgin relaxer. I would imagine it would be very challenging doing yourself. Good luck!!
 
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i dont know any stylist. ive been doing everything myself for 5 years. maybe i should go out and meet them explain what i want,then decide to go on and pay a stylist after choosing one.
 
If you don't feel comfortable or have the time to learn to do it yourself you're right to see a stylist but try to get someone to recommend. Someone where you've seen their work; don't just go to a person blindly. Most stylists use lye.

If you decide to do it yourself, follow the instructions for how long to leave it on (very important!!).
 
Dudleys is a good relaxer. I would use a salon relaxer as opposed to store bought relaxers. I heard they were better for your hair. Also, just FYI... Lye relaxers are damaging to your scalp.. and no lye relaxers are damaging to your hair... So you decide from there. I use lye because I can always rinse the relaxer out before any scalp damage occurs... Good luck!
 
Kinky4Agirl said:
Dudleys is a good relaxer. I would use a salon relaxer as opposed to store bought relaxers. I heard they were better for your hair. Also, just FYI... Lye relaxers are damaging to your scalp.. and no lye relaxers are damaging to your hair... So you decide from there. I use lye because I can always rinse the relaxer out before any scalp damage occurs... Good luck!
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Kinky4Agirl
This is so true. My old stylist used mizani and affirm. The affirm tote my scalp up. I had constant huge dry flakes; even directly after washing (dd too). Those are both lye. Then I switched to self relaxing with ORS box perm. I had been going back and forth for over 20 years. I always liked it better when did it myself w/a no lye box perm.

With no lye, I def have to keep up the protein/moisture balance and m&s 3 times a week but its worth it. I am happy. I think lye is for 3-4a hair types. It doesn't straighten enough for me
 
I am a new self relaxer. All I say is research, research and research before you attempt to self relax. I watched a ton of videos, and really studied the Relaxed Hair Sticky on Self relaxing. I read reviews on the different relaxers available. And chose what I thought was best for MY HAIR. I have a very very sensitive scalp, lye is a big no-no for me. Also, I practiced with conditioner for the longest (I still do, this is the way that I apply my DC). I wanted to prepare myself as much as possible. It gave me confidence and I was not afraid.

Also, as far as prepping the hair. IMO it is very important to protect the scalp and the previously relaxed hair before application of the relaxer. I protect my scalp by basing with coconut oil for the entire week before the relaxer and by basing with Mizani Butter Blends Butter Base on the day of. I protect my previously relaxed hair with three layers, coconut oil, dax grease and pertoleum jelly (used to use Butter Blends Honey Shield, but it left my hair too wet). That may seem like a lot, but I do not want to take any chances with runoff and re-processing. I also pre-part and divide my hair into twists so that I will not have to be bothered with parting during application.

ETA: Just realized that you were talking about a virgin relaxer. Obviously, you will not have to be bothered with previously relaxed hair (overlap or runoff). I would feel better going to a stylist to get a virgin relaxer more so than going to one for a touch up. But your research will still be helpful if you decide to self relax all future touch ups.
 
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JudithO said:
Heeyyy... Girl back away from Lye (for now)... Your hair is really kinky... You'd burn before you get a chance to process.

This is my best recommendation of course.. good luck... Optimum Salon Collection No-Lye Relaxer

http://www.sallybeauty.com/conditioning-relaxer/SOFTSH18,default,pd.html?cm_vc=SEARCH
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hi judith. the reason why im hesitatingvis become my 4b hair straightens fast an easily. 1 pass with flat iron gets it straight and without high heat. the nape is even faster (seems 4ab).
 
mshoneyfly said:
If you don't feel comfortable or have the time to learn to do it yourself you're right to see a stylist but try to get someone to recommend. Someone where you've seen their work; don't just go to a person blindly. Most stylists use lye.

If you decide to do it yourself, follow the instructions for how long to leave it on (very important!!).
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ive asked a friend if she knew a good stylist.... im waitîng for her answer , hopîng she has an address for me .
 
Mande30 said:
I am a new self relaxer. All I say is research, research and research before you attempt to self relax. I watched a ton of videos, and really studied the Relaxed Hair Sticky on Self relaxing. I read reviews on the different relaxers available. And chose what I thought was best for MY HAIR. I have a very very sensitive scalp, lye is a big no-no for me. Also, I practiced with conditioner for the longest (I still do, this is the way that I apply my DC). I wanted to prepare myself as much as possible. It gave me confidence and I was not afraid.

Also, as far as prepping the hair. IMO it is very important to protect the scalp and the previously relaxed hair before application of the relaxer. I protect my scalp by basing with coconut oil for the entire week before the relaxer and by basing with Mizani Butter Blends Butter Base on the day of. I protect my previously relaxed hair with three layers, coconut oil, dax grease and pertoleum jelly (used to use Butter Blends Honey Shield, but it left my hair too wet). That may seem like a lot, but I do not want to take any chances with runoff and re-processing. I also pre-part and divide my hair into twists so that I will not have to be bothered with parting during application.

ETA: Just realized that you were talking about a virgin relaxer. Obviously, you will not have to be bothered with previously relaxed hair (overlap or runoff). I would feel better going to a stylist to get a virgin relaxer more so than going to one for a touch up. But your research will still be helpful if you decide to self relax all future touch ups.
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im also thinking of going to a salon for the first relaxer / or texlax...

the touch ups i want to do it myself, i better keep documenting
 
I think a virgin relaxer is easier bc you dont have to be careful and avoid the previously relaxed hair. You can just slather it on from root to tip
 
 
mshoneyfly said:
I think a virgin relaxer is easier bc you dont have to be careful and avoid the previously relaxed hair. You can just slather it on from root to tip
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yes it should be easier. i need to learn more before doing anything. im afraid that the salon goes bone straight by accident. they love that!

if i do find a salon, good one then yeah ill go but no stylist in mind for the moment
 
coolsista-paris said:
this means i have to be very very careful on the time its left on my hair.

how long do you leave your relaxer on ?

do you have body left or you like bone straight,?
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coolsista-paris
Yes, I think that means we are high porosity.

I use no lye so there are detailed directions and I follow them closely. I use a texture softener and it has a hair texture guide with pics and timing chart. I follow the one for medium textured hair in the middle. It says 4-5 min for application and 5-8 min for processing so I rinses exactly at 13 mins. It came out nicely. My hair is ultra bouncy and healthy. I really like it. I have used it about 3 times so far with good results.

Heres a pic directly after air dry from my last TU:



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The last one is several weeks post
 
mshoneyfly said:
coolsista-paris
Yes, I think that means we are high porosity.

I use no lye so there are detailed directions and I follow them closely. I use a texture softener and it has a hair texture guide with pics and timing chart. I follow the one for medium textured hair in the middle. It says 4-5 min for application and 5-8 min for processing so I rinses exactly at 13 mins. It came out nicely. My hair is ultra bouncy and healthy. I really like it. I have used it about 3 times so far with good results.

Heres a pic directly after air dry from my last TU:

The last one is several weeks post
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thanks for the pics and info. you must be experienced to be able to apply the relaxer 5 minutes!

im gonna go to the stores in september after by week holiday + im gonna do some reasearch for a stylist . just to have the maximum options to chose from.

oh by the way: i never knew if i was high or low porosity. i tried the water test ( hair floates for decades) but it reacts differently from that glass test . ( my hair can soak if too much moisture, then ger mushy , break).

so i never understood my porosity.
 
coolsista-paris said:
i also wanted to ask if for bsb natural hair ,will i need 2 boxes of relaxer/texturizer?
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You probably will need two to cover all your hair really well from root to tip. I have been doing self relaxing for over 20 years off and on. Sometimes I went to a stylist but mostly on my own. Lots of trial and error in the beginning :/

If your hair straightens, gets wet and dries really fast, you are high porosity. This kind of hair loves protein (keratin) and henna too.

Best thing to do is part hair in really small sections BEFORE relaxing. Put a small clip on each section then start applying relaxer to each section. This is how you can work quickly. Go all around the head then go back and smooth each one. I always use a kitchen timer and watch it closely. You can do it!!

Even after all that experience, i didn't get fast until I watched this video:

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1VR2st-RHQ8

She is a little talky but really explains well and records the WHOLE time she is applying. She shows you that it is possible to do it really fast
 
mshoneyfly said:
You probably will need two to cover all your hair really well from root to tip. I have been doing self relaxing for over 20 years off and on. Sometimes I went to a stylist but mostly on my own. Lots of trial and error in the beginning :/

If your hair straightens, gets wet and dries really fast, you are high porosity. This kind of hair loves protein (keratin) and henna too.

Best thing to do is part hair in really small sections BEFORE relaxing. Put a small clip on each section then start applying relaxer to each section. This is how you can work quickly. Go all around the head then go back and smooth each one. I always use a kitchen timer and watch it closely. You can do it!!

Even after all that experience, i didn't get fast until I watched this video:

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1VR2st-RHQ8

She is a little talky but really explains well and records the WHOLE time she is applying. She shows you that it is possible to do it really fast
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oh yeah then im high porosity (it straigtens,gets wet and dries fast)!

i remember this video where people commented on how mean she was to her friend ! lol haha

thanks lot for helping me ;-)
 
Another vote for Linage if you don't want bone straight. My sister just relaxed after three years using linage. I also use lye now and I can see how my hair is thicker.
 
Keen said:
Another vote for Linage if you don't want bone straight. My sister just relaxed after three years using linage. I also use lye now and I can see how my hair is thicker.
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in wonder if i could find all this in paris( need to go check ).

what strenth did she use?
 
how do i avoid bone straight by the way?

should i smooth a tiny bit in order to keep a little texture and thickness?

or not smooth at all?
 
KiWiStyle said:
I prefer lye as well. I know from personal experience about Mizani BB (mild formula) and Nairobi Pamper (fine or chemically treated hair). Mizani got me too straight and the Nairobi Pamper is perfect for leaving texture, I have fine hair too.

It's true, you have to be sure to thoroughly detangle down to the roots or else it'll be difficult to work through and you'll either over process, get chemical burns or both. My last relaxer was almost a disaster because of this, I thought I had detangled well enough. She couldn't work fast because of the knots at my scalp and ended up processing me for 21 minutes...the instructions says 8-13. Even still, I got one burn and my hair has texture still, especially the nape and front where she applied last.

I also read lots if texlaxers with fine hair use ORS Regular with awesome results. Check out Jeni's blog at Just Grow Already. She has fine, high density, type 4 waist length hair and she uses ORS Regular. She does the half/half method and apply only apply and smooth each half for 8 minutes.

Also, I would suggest going to a TRUSTED stylist if possible to o your virgin relaxer. I would imagine it would be very challenging doing yourself. Good luck!!
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wow on just grow already! i thought it was thick hair!!!!! wow ,that fine hair is beautiful!!!
 
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