I need some help from my Naturals! Shingling Question...

[*Frisky*]

I watched this lady's video and I am kinda confused and want to know if any of you ladies practice the method she does. It seems like she shingles twice when she does her hair. Once when she is in the shower with regular conditioner and again when she moisturizes which helps to eventually train your hair to keep the curl pattern so she says. I may be so late on this but this is the first of me hearing any of this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWrfaSsSHXM

 

[LongLeggedLife]

Ionno but ummmmm I dont want my hurr to do anything hers is doing

I do believe hair can be somewhat 'trainable' though, I noticed a huge diff when I stopped washing my hair upside down in the sink, and instead starting washing 'right-side up' in the shower.

 

[Nonie]

I dunno, but if I were shingling, I'd follow Miss Jessie's method:

www.missjessies.com/site/pdf/Shingling-101.pdf

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g02R7n77kHQ

I don't think there's any "training" going on there. Otherwise my 4B must be one heck of a dumb mane. Because after all the "training", it'd still go back to doing what comes naturally: curl back on itself and scoff at the idea of clumping once I washed my hair and "undid" the do. It'd only look "shingled" if I shingled it again.

 

[*Frisky*]

I dunno, but if I were shingling, I'd follow Miss Jessie's method:

www.missjessies.com/site/pdf/Shingling-101.pdf

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g02R7n77kHQ

I don't think there's any "training" going on there. Otherwise my 4B must be one heck of a dumb mane. Because after all the "training", it'd still go back to doing what comes naturally: curl back on itself and scoff at the idea of clumping once I washed my hair and "undid" the do. It'd only look "shingled" if I shingled it again.

This is basically how I see mostly everybody do it either with their fingers, denman brush etc. I guess I am just really curious as to if doing it the way the other lady does makes any difference with possibly making the curls last longer.

 

[Nonie]

This is basically how I see mostly everybody do it either with their fingers, denman brush etc. I guess I am just really curious as to if doing it the way the other lady does makes any difference with possibly making the curls last longer.

*Frisky*I don't see how the tool used would affect how long the curls last. I'd be more inclined to think products used would have more of the effect as in that products that don't wash off easily might keep a style locked in longer. Just like how serums keep straight hair straight for longer.

I don't see how fingers as opposed to a comb or brush would have a more "long-lasting" effect.

 

[*Frisky*]

@*Frisky*I don't see how the tool used would affect how long the curls last. I'd be more inclined to think products used would have more of the effect as in that products that don't wash off easily might keep a style locked in longer. Just like how serums keep straight hair straight for longer.

I don't see how fingers as opposed to a comb or brush would have a more "long-lasting" effect.

Nonie..no what I meant by the curls lasting longer is doing the shingling process twice instead of once.

 

[Nonie]

@Nonie..no what I meant by the curls lasting longer is doing the shingling process twice instead of once.

@*Frisky* Unless I understand what happens in shingling, but hair that is tightly curled is just opened up so that it clumps and then sort of made to "set" in that stretched out state so the clumping remains so that the waves are visible from afar (more hairs doing the same thing stand out).

If you have hair whose elasticity is intact, when you rinse out conditioner, hair will return to its coiled state. So I don't think the conditioning step really makes a difference.

In this photo, I was trying to emulate the effect bentonite clay has on coils by stretching them out so that strands cup each other and their pattern becomes clear from afar. I clearly didn't succeed because conditioner isn't as heavy, but you can sort of see a bit of the stretch:

After I rinse out conditioner, my hair returns to its shrunken coiled state:

So there's no "long-lasting" effect. For the effect to be long-lasting, I believe the product that stretches the hair out needs to be left in the hair not rinsed out. Hence the reason shingling Miss Jessie's way involves blowdrying or letting hair dry with stretching product in it.

 

[Embyra]

Since when is raking product through hair shingling her technique looks the same as this she just does tiny sections

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWcaDWL_oXc&list=FLVacCWjfwbOUmUYyTTuKycw&index=10

I DONT shingle i do the above which is what the lady calls shingling but the link provided by nonie you will see its two totally different things

MISS JESSIE

Shingling is when the hair is placed flat in a pattern its like layered slates on top of each other after is dry those shingles are stretch out and divided to give you a define wavy curl pattern. finger-styling your raring fingers through the strands

I do my hair like this every time i do my hair it last about 14 days till i need to wash again before my hair is just a frizzy mess

Once you apply product with moisture on a regular basis you will see more ''curls'' which i believe is what the lady is seeing i dont believe her hair is now trained as she says

 

[Chameleonchick]

Haha shingling doesn't "work" for my hair! I tried it and it was a complete waste of time.

 

[faithVA]

There is another ytber that does her hair this way. She does this while she is in the shower and she works the conditioner through her hair this way. There may have been another. I would have to search for it though.

 

[*Frisky*]

Since when is raking product through hair shingling her technique looks the same as this she just does tiny sections

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWcaDWL_oXc&list=FLVacCWjfwbOUmUYyTTuKycw&index=10

I DONT shingle i do the above which is what the lady calls shingling but the link provided by nonie you will see its two totally different things

MISS JESSIE

Shingling is when the hair is placed flat in a pattern its like layered slates on top of each other after is dry those shingles are stretch out and divided to give you a define wavy curl pattern. finger-styling your raring fingers through the strands

I do my hair like this every time i do my hair it last about 14 days till i need to wash again before my hair is just a frizzy mess

Once you apply product with moisture on a regular basis you will see more ''curls'' which i believe is what the lady is seeing i dont believe her hair is now trained as she says

hahahaha girl you lost me with this! I had no idea there was a something called "fingerstyling." 99% of the videos I have watched everybody calls it shingling. I do see the difference now that you mention it..learn something new everyday.

 

[empressri]

*Frisky*I don't see how the tool used would affect how long the curls last. I'd be more inclined to think products used would have more of the effect as in that products that don't wash off easily might keep a style locked in longer. Just like how serums keep straight hair straight for longer.

I don't see how fingers as opposed to a comb or brush would have a more "long-lasting" effect.

actually...it makes a huge difference. well halfway at least. when i use my mason pearson comb to do a wash and go, the comb distributes product evenly and smooths out the curls, making them less ruffled and clumps them together, which in turn leads to me able to stretch a style out for longer.

if i do it with my fingers, it doesnt work the same at all. some parts have more product, others dont have enough and then it's poufy here but tame there...

i wish i used this comb for styling a long time ago, it wouldve saved me from plenty of headaches!

 

[Nonie]

actually...it makes a huge difference. well halfway at least. when i use my mason pearson comb to do a wash and go, the comb distributes product evenly and smooths out the curls, making them less ruffled and clumps them together, which in turn leads to me able to stretch a style out for longer.

if i do it with my fingers, it doesnt work the same at all. some parts have more product, others dont have enough and then it's poufy here but tame there...

i wish i used this comb for styling a long time ago, it wouldve saved me from plenty of headaches!

empressri, I get what you're saying, and it's pretty obvious that combing (thus opening up strands and stretching them uniformly thus enabling easy clumping) would create more definition. Except *Frisky*'s question was assuming that fingers would give long-lasting definition better than a comb, per the lady's comment. That's what I was responding to. And in fact, as you observes, fingers would not give the same definition you get with a comb.

Shingling (Miss Jessie's way) works along the premise of what you just described. You stretch out strands and evenly distribute produces. The more "fine-toothed" the tool used, the better the shingling. So I totally agree with you. My point was when it comes to "long-lasting" on 4B hair, fingers would not be better than a comb. I probably didn't word it properly. What's more, in the case of 4B hair, fingers or comb, when you rinse out conditioner, you returned to a shrunken afro so again, regardless of tool used, you will not get "long-lasting" results. That's what I was trying to say.

 

[I-sing]

Nonie that is my exact hair type wow i don't know about you but i hate it. its so fragile. thins strands, curls up tight when dry and snaps if you look at it. cannot seem to get a whole head of hair one spot 4 inches one spot 6 inches one spot 3 inches it's maddening. both my parents have soft hair ugg!