AnnDriena_ said:Oh no, I don't think I'm anymore righteous than anyone else because I'm a virgin, so don't take it that way. We were discussing sexual sin so that's what I was talking about.
As for no one living a %100 Christian lifestyle, that's what I thought I made clear in the post that I didn't want to make it seem like making a mistake makes you not Christian. I thought I said that in the previous post but If I didn’t I want to make that clear now. I don’t think making mistakes, sin (which we all do) makes you not a Christian. I myself have to use the bible and compare it to people who say they are Christian to judge for myself whether to take them as a Christian.
And with my Christian friends I give them greater access into my life and put more weight in their opinions and things like that. Not that I haven’t got good advice from non-Christians but I basically raised myself and have had to be very careful of the people I let speak into my life. That’s why and how I judge for myself whether someone is Christian or not. Just taking them at their word is fine if you want and at first, hey, let's face it, that's all we have.
Okay. I understand you a lil' bit better.AnnDriena_ said:Oh no, I don't think I'm anymore righteous than anyone else because I'm a virgin, so don't take it that way. We were discussing sexual sin so that's what I was talking about.
As for no one living a %100 Christian lifestyle, that's what I thought I made clear in the post that I didn't want to make it seem like making a mistake makes you not Christian. I thought I said that in the previous post but If I didn’t I want to make that clear now. I don’t think making mistakes, sin (which we all do) makes you not a Christian. I myself have to use the bible and compare it to people who say they are Christian to judge for myself whether to take them as a Christian.
And with my Christian friends I give them greater access into my life and put more weight in their opinions and things like that. Not that I haven’t got good advice from non-Christians but I basically raised myself and have had to be very careful of the people I let speak into my life. That’s why and how I judge for myself whether someone is Christian or not. Just taking them at their word is fine if you want and at first, hey, let's face it, that's all we have.
pebbles said:Let me remind everyone that this is the Christianity forum, and I will not allow the nasty behavior of the general forum to come in here. I'm just going to edit and/or delete posts. If there is a personal dispute between members, take it to pm, but keep this conversation neutral! You have been advised!
Sweetie, let me tell you something; Christians sin, all of us fall short of God's glory. Some may do it blatantly in your face, and others may be very good at hiding it. Some commit very big sins, others tell little white lies, but make no mistake, no one is walking upright as the Lord wants us to do. That's why we have Jesus to save us from ourselves.
Look to the perfection of Jesus and His sacrifice on the cross. That's the only thing that's 100% trustworthy.
pebbles said:Sweetie, let me tell you something; Christians sin, all of us fall short of God's glory. Some may do it blatantly in your face, and others may be very good at hiding it. Some commit very big sins, others tell little white lies, but make no mistake, no one is walking upright as the Lord wants us to do. That's why we have Jesus to save us from ourselves.
I tell people all the time, don't put any Christian up on a pedastal. Not one! They will disappoint you, and if you weren't expecting it, that can cause you to stumble in your walk with God. Look to the perfection of Jesus and His sacrifice on the cross. That's the only thing that's 100% trustworthy.
Bublnbrnsuga said:It is not a personal belief to me that sex is for marriage-it's in the Bible. The Bible mentions that premarital sex is the only sin where you sin against yourself. So many folks have conformed to the way the world thinks about premarital sex it is ridiculous. They have actually convinced themselves that they don't need a certificate to be married, as long as they have a 'spiritual union.' Whatever- do it right and stop compromising.
Sorry, I went off tangent a wee bit- I just get tired of people using this biblical issue to fit their wrong doings.
crml_buttafly said:pebbles i wasnt looking to start anything. i wanted clarification on what a "supposed christian" is
i was looking for clarification for me and only ME.
ms_kenesha said:I agree. I also think it's bad when people make a narrow definition of sex to suit their own religious agenda. For instance DeLeon Richards.
ms_kenesha said:I agree. I also think it's bad when people make a narrow definition of sex to suit their own religious agenda. For instance DeLeon Richards.
AnnDriena_ said:Could you expound on this for me so I don’t get you wrong. What I’m getting is she is the one who made the tape with R.Kelly giving him oral. Did she say that wasn’t sex? Because I know that’s big now. Saying if it isn’t genital to genital contact it isn’t sex. I know that our thoughts count with God too. And I have to be careful with what I watch. You tell someone you’re a 28 year old virgin and they think you are asexual and don’t have sexual thoughts. But I can I have to stay away from certain things. Hey if you look at it I’m only a physical virgin because my thoughts aren’t pure.
pebbles said:What is a narrow definition of sex? So long as it's within the confines of marriage, all is permissable. And forgive my ignorance, but who is DeLeon Richards? I've never heard of him.
Sweet C said:She is a gospel singer. She goes to Randy and Paula White's church.
Check out the link: http://www.deleonmusic.com/
Millie_C said:I am glad for this....
If we confess our sins He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 1John 1:9
But I'm kept in line by this.....
For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of truth, there remaineth no more sacrifices for sins. Hebrews 10:26 (down to vs. 31 is on my mind but I'm in a rush)
The topic reminds me of this....
I wrote to you in an epistle not to company with fornicators. Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolators, for then must ye needs go out of this world.
But now I have written to you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or an extortioner, with such an one no not to eat.
For what have I to do to jude them that are without? do not ye judge them that are within. 1 corinthians 5: 9-12
Knowing my own failures, I try to live by the passage that says "if our brother is overtaken with a fault to pray for them with a spirit of meekness concidering yourself lest you also be tempted"
God always gives a chance for repentance but I have experienced how persistance in sin (any sin) can break our relationship with God and its a hard road to walk.
pebbles said:What is a narrow definition of sex? So long as it's within the confines of marriage, all is permissable. And forgive my ignorance, but who is DeLeon Richards? I've never heard of him.
ms_kenesha said:I agree. I also think it's bad when people make a narrow definition of sex to suit their own religious agenda. For instance DeLeon Richards.
Bublnbrnsuga said:Yes you have!! It's a 'she' not a 'he'. Do you remember the little girl who sung
'I'm gonna move on up the mountain,
gonna take the devil down.
Cause he doesn't have a right to be
on a higher ground.
I'm gonna move on up the mountain,
with my shield and my sword
and we will sing sweet victory in the name of the Lord.'
melodee said:I agree w/ Kenesha. There are some believers who judge single parents or those who have had abortions, but they themselves have had premarital sex. In Gods eyes it's all sin.
cybra said:God, himself, said King David was a man after his own heart. However, not only did David have sex outside his own marriage, he murdered the husband of the woman (Bathsheba) to cover up the consequences of that sin (he had impregnated her). But what did God do? Because he knew David had a true desire to live for him, he did not allow him to continue in sin. God sent Nathan to confront David about what he had done. But the difference between David and many you will encounter in this world, when God confronted David about his sin, through Nathan, David immediately repented of his sin. People today, instead of acknowledging that what they are doing is wrong, they will justify and try and explain it away. Then there's the whole issue of us [Christians] not being bound by the law of the old testament. But Romans 6:15 (New testament) says, "What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid." We are bound by the grace of Christ and his commandments. And if you truly look at the bible, much of what's in the old testament is in the new testament. So, God does hold us to many of the laws given to Moses. But in order to do the sinful things in their hearts, many try to find ways of going around what is in the bible. For example, I once had someone ask my how could I say it is "unnatura"l for two men or two women to experience sexual love towards each other. Mind you, this was a Christian who asked me this. But when I told the person it was not me who said it but the Lord himself in Romans 1:27, where he says, "...leaving the NATURAL use of the women..., the person admitted she had never read that before. Yet, even after reading it, she felt it was still okay since she did "love the Lord." God said if you love me you'll keep my commandments. If we knowingly and voluntarily continune to sin, then do we truly love God?
However, as someone indicated, "sin is sin" and it all stinks in the nostrils of God. But if you claim yourself to be a child of God, and he confronts you with YOUR sin in some way (like with this very discussion), it would behoove you to realize when the Spirit of God is warning you of your ways. Like David, you need to stop and repent. David did not stop and point our how others in his kingdom were doing the same thing, nor did he compare his sin to the sins of others. He didn't even use "human nature" as an excuse for his sin...he gave no excuse because there was none. Maybe God has not confronted those lost sheep still in the world about how they are straying from his will. But, it is not for you to compare yourself to, the main thing here is, IS GOD BRINGING SOMETHING TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE ABOUT A SIN IN YOUR LIFE? We, being sanctified, cannot compare what we do to what those in the in the world are doing.
But all of you keep in mind, the Bible tells us there are plenty who will claim Jesus but deny the power thereof. Meaning, many people will call themselves Christians but act as though Christ does not have the power to keep them from sinning; Their behaviors convey anything but the renewing of their spirit through Christ. Many coming in the name of Jesus will act as though the influences of Satan on their lives (sinning) is more powerful than the power of blood the of Christ in their lives (stop sinning). However, to sit and argue over God's word with such is futile. God doesn't call us to support, give evidence to it's validity, or push his word...his word can stand for itself. We are simply to spread his gospel as is. Yet, as with the parable of the sower there will come times when your message will fall on deaf ears, rocks, so nothing will sink in and the person you share the truth of the gospel with will continue believing and acting in worldly ways. Some of whom may call themselves "his sheep." Do not grieve yourself over such, a reprobate mind is something God does to those who will not adhere to his word and will. It is foolish to hold a conversation or argue with such a person, they will never hear you.
Well, I could go on for days when it comes to the Lord, but I've said enough I pray that all who read these threads will truly consider how they may be being decieved by Satan into believing their sinful ways are "okay" with God as they say they love him. You must choose who you will serve. God bless and keep you all.
cybra said:You know, as much as I love to hear someone's life has been challenged or touched by what I say, please know, God is the true speaker in my life. I live my life simply to be used by him in any way he sees fit.
pebbles said:Let me tell you, God is truly using you mightily, and it shows! You are such a blessing to this forum!
zora said:True, but keep is mind we are all sinners and whether we lie, steal, covet, etc. or have pre-martial sex, we can still love GOD.
Having said that, we should abstain until marriage, but don't question someone's love for God based on their sexual history.
classimami713 said:Oops! Is this subject on the Off Topic board already? If so, sorry for the double topic post.