what is your opinion on this?

[NAY007]

hey everybody,
i just went to this other hairboard and read this post. i thought you'd be interested in this as well. and i am interested in your thoughts about this. and i'm sure the lady, who wrote this would love to read your comments as well.

http://www.longhairlovers.com/read.php?f=21&i=2373&t=2373&PHPSESSID=76fa41225357b2008d60f564c50a4e99

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[brownrelaxedhair]

Well. That part about using protein conditioners because they straighten hair naturally and return elasticity to it etc was a load of cods wollop. Protein conditioners straighten hair now do they? okay...They are an important part of the hair regime but don't give them the wrong reasons for why....

I def. don't agree with the other statement of how clarifying shampoos can be replaced by just rinsing the hair with plain old water for longer. Clarifying shampoos do make a difference or I wouldn't still be using them! I agree with the statement about being harsh but that only applies to SOME. It all depends on reading the labels and finding ones that use gentler cleaning properties. No way does my rinsing and rinsing and rinsing with just water give me the same result of an excellent, ph balanced, gentle but effective clarifier.

And I won't even go there about ditching pre oil treatments....

 

[kking7777]

I think hot oil treatments help my hair out alot. I do not see myself stopping this.

 

[CurlyCrly]

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I think hot oil treatments help my hair out alot. I do not see myself stopping this.

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Same here.

 

[londongirl3]

I haven't read through it all (because it was too long) but the bit about oils working from in and not out is only partially true. My friend who works at a salon in London was told to advise clients to take cod liver oil pills/liquid should they have problems with brittle or stiff hair.. So I do think that the oils do work from inside as well as outside.

I do think that somethings will work for some people but not others. I think that if you have established a routine that works, tweak it but don't radically change it.

 

[Nyambura]

I would also like to add that her information about nails being dead unless they are "far under the cuticle" is incorrect. The white tips that we clip off are dead but the pink part is very much living - that's why it would hurt to get your nails ripped off.

In addition, our epidermis (outer skin layer) is not dead. It is very much living. In fact, our skin is the largest living organ of our bodies.

I was curious about her advice to sit under a heated dryer with her eggs, mayo protein conditioner - wouldn't you soon start smelling like cooking eggs? Moreover, I know her advice about following up protein conditioner treatments with acidifying conditioners, like Nexxus Ensure, is not a solution for everyone. This may work very well for her but I know my hair would be a matted, tangled mess without a moisturizing conditioner. The only one I don't need a follow up for is Aubrey Organics GPB.

Finally, I disagree with her assertion that oils clog the scalp. Not all oils clog the scalp. Some, like jojoba oil, actually emulate sebum, the oil our scalps naturally produce.

 

[Islandgirl]

I read her information. But, does she have a growth journey? For instance, does she have pictures that show she started with short hair and now her hair is long? Basically, we need to know if her advice/recommendations/regimen = RESULTS. I feel that when we see something visual it helps, for instance, look at Adrienne's hair, when you see her hair, you want to know exactly what she did to get it there. Just my suggestion, i really don't know the person, so I could be wrong etc. But its an interesting idea she has going on there.

 

[jazzyfunknastee]

It's funny...she says stay away from oils but then she says to spritz your hair with water and then follow up with a few spritz of oil. Contradict, much?

 

[divanrare4m]

What I gathered from reading about the hot oil treatment was that the heat opened the cuticle for the oil to go inside, and not using heat the oil just coats the outside (of the cuticle). And that possibly the oil binding with the hair weakens it instead of the protein that it gets when doing a deep conditioning treatment with a protein conditioner and heat. That's just my take on it.

 

[TsAngel]

There was alot of contradiction going on throughout the entire message that she was trying to convey....but

Because of my preshampoo hot oil treatments, I don't have a constant battle with dry hair. It works for me and I'll continue to utilize this method and encourage others to try it also.

Once you find what works for you, stick to it....Consistency will yield results.

TsAngel

 

[TwistNMx]

Brownrelaxedhair,
I like your braid out. I think it looks very nice

High Priestess

 

[Paris Belle]

She made some interesting points, but I will stick with my hot oil treatments, thank you very much..

Hot oil treatments have saved my life..I cannot go without them..Not unless I do more than 1 wash in one week..

She doesn't stress the importance of moisturizing conditioners enough for my taste. Protein conditioners do soften the hair and stretch it out a little, but that isn't enough to straighten it (if that's what you desire)...

I don't agree with the point that water can be used as a substitute for shampoos..I think conditioners can be, but not water..Rinsing is good for the hair tho'...

 

[Tracy]

She did make some interesting points and it may be possible that these things work wonders for her. But I'm never too comfortable pushing an individual regime as the master "tip library" for all people. It's just not that simple. There are some basics - a few of which she touched on - but most of what she posted sounding like individual discoveries that worked for HER. Most of them wouldn't work for me.

 

[CynamonKis]

Yes I agree with all of you regarding her advice on hot oil treatments--first we aren't oiling our scalps, we are applying oil indirectly warmed to our hair for max 3 minutes, then following up with a wash so how could this clog pores?

Some of her other advice was sound, such as moisturizing with water, gently combing the hair, proper protective styles, etc, but most of that info. has been shared on this board. Yes I agree the spray bottle w/oil did contradict the no-hot-oil-treatment advice.

 

[Integrity]

this must be a hoax?

 

[sweetcocoa]

I personally am not a big fan of a lot of protein treatments...but there seems to be some truth to it having a relaxing effect on hair... We touched on this in the henna thread...the milk thread...also the hennalucent thread...these are all proteins and all had a slight 'relaxing'..not straihtening effect on the hair especially when used twice a week apart. Also I don't believe just rinsing long enough will get rid of the need to clarify. I hate and don't use clarifying shampoos....but I will do a rinse with lemon juice when I feel I need to clarify. Also since I started using disilled water I haven't had the need to clarify...because I have not been getting any build up. These are the only 2 things I kind of thought could be true to a certain extent...

 

[dontspeakdefeat]

I wish that I could have understood better what she was trying to say. The grammer and spelling made it seem like she is in elementary school. I don't agree with the no oil thing. I have tried that before and experienced some serious breakage! I always use some type of oil especially on my ends for that added protection. She seemed to be quit biased and did not have any new information to offer.

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[TwistNMx]

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There was alot of contradiction going on throughout the entire message that she was trying to convey....but

Because of my preshampoo hot oil treatments, I don't have a constant battle with dry hair. It works for me and I'll continue to utilize this method and encourage others to try it also.

Once you find what works for you, stick to it....Consistency will yield results.
TsAngel

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I wish that I could have understood better what she was trying to say. The grammer and spelling made it seem like she is in elementary school. I don't agree with the no oil thing. I have tried that before and experienced some serious breakage! I always use some type of oil especially on my ends for that added protection. She seemed to be quit biased and did not have any new information to offer.

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I agree totally. Also this person does not have a have hair journey pictures as Islandgirl said.
All I know is that the message was not very clear, and that I've seen good results for LHCF, so I will continue with what I know!

 

[Islandgirl]

I have another comment. I have never used a clarifying shampoo in my life. And my hair has been close to bra strap many times. So I guess I can sorta agree with her statement, but I am not sure because I have never had any experience with a clarifying shampoo. I think I am going to check out KeraCare 1st Lather Shampoo after work.

 

[adrienne0914]

islandgirl, until i got a sample of the Elasta QP Bodifying shampoo, i had never used one either. it's actually pretty awesome. because of it, i use alot less of all my other products while shampooing, and it cleans my hair without making it feel stripped. all clarifiers are not created equal though. i also want to try the Keracare 1st Lather.

as for the original message, the entire thing is opinions. i dislike absolute statements about any hair care regime or treatment because different things work for different people...

 

[BabyCurls]

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I would also like to add that her information about nails being dead unless they are "far under the cuticle" is incorrect. The white tips that we clip off are dead but the pink part is very much living - that's why it would hurt to get your nails ripped off.

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<font color="purple">I have to agree with you on that point there. I know this because I took a nail course as part of the requirements for being a cosmetologist, or nail tech. The Matrix, which is underneath the nail plate near the cuticle, is living and supplies blood circulation when massaging your nails. If one of your fingers gets smashed in the door, as is the case with one of mine in the past, and if the matrix is not destroyed, the damaged nail will grow out in months time. The technical name of the white tip that hangs over the nail is the Free Edge. And like the hair, it is dead and gets either cut or clipped (tips). Plus it contains sulfur and keratin proteins. If you like, I'll put an article from one of my search engines that gives an explanation of the makeup of the nail and what it does. </font>

 

[sweetcocoa]

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as for the original message, the entire thing is opinions. i dislike absolute statements about any hair care regime or treatment because different things work for different people...

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Adrienne, I agree with you on this one....

 

[pebbles]

I agree with Adrienne's statement as well. No one thing works the same for everyone.