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ibm girl

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I am really annoyed. REALLY. Where do I begin? The frustration of continuing to believe in another stylist who is clearly letting me down? The fact that I still have (relatively speaking, anyway) a decent head of hair, in spite of all the trauma said stylist has inflicted over the last two years? My fear of starting the process of looking for a stylist (I canNOT self-relax) all over again? I miss my guy in Miami!!! But wait, I'm getting ahead of myself.

I moved to Michigan from Miami two years ago for a new job. I felt fortunate to have found my new stylist quite by accident...there was a salon in the building where my new employer had arranged my temporary housing. Clean place, he did a nice job, used affirm relaxers. Everyone's hair at the shop looked great...lots of naturals getting blown out. Yes, he was a bit more expensive than I was used to paying, but all's cool.

From the beginning, he was begging to put highlights in. After a few months (this is all before finding LHCF, by the way), I agreed...stunned to see him putting the color in the same day as the relaxer. But, since my hair didn't fall out and the color looked good, no problem. I balked at putting the color in as often as he would have liked because I was still a little unnerved by the relax/color/one sitting business, but each time he put highlights in, I had to remind him that my job dictated a more subtle, less showy kind of look than he was giving me. I also noticed that all the growth I was getting during the time I lived in Miami was g-o-n-e. ??

The day before leaving on a flight for my wedding, I had an appointment with him...couldn't find someone who could do a relaxer in Rome, so I didn't have much choice...I was going to be there two weeks prior to the wedding. I was nearly blonde (I'll try to attach photos later). I couldn't do anything about it since I was getting on a plane, so three weeks later when I returned, he darkened it. By this time, I had discovered this board, so I started stretching relaxers and refused more color.

Fast forward to May. My bosses want a more natural, subtle look. (gosh, subtle sounds kind of familiar...Oh, that's exactly what I've been saying for months, but someone doesn't want to listen. and I frankly, am trying to avoid looking for a new guy. Shame on me) So my hairdresser agrees to come in and look at how my hair looks and talks to the consultants. They provide him with a sketch of the "look" they're going for and several times talk about 'chocolate' and 'warmth' and 'depth' and my 'natural color'...which is clearly evident since the last highlights I had were in OCTOBER. He even zipped me over to the salon for a quick wash and style to show what he could do. We're all happy, all on the same page...excited with my impending fabulosity. Right.

To spare you all the ugly details, when he turned me around in the chair three days after this meeting with my hair soaked...I'm thinking, "Gee, maybe he's doing the base color first and then those jazzy chocolately highlights will come later?" Yeah, um...no. The xxxx was straight BLACK. His response was the best part. "Girl, you just don't remember your natural hair color! Just wait 'til it's dry and under the lights, you'll see."

OK, it's dry and OK, it's still black. And as for me not remembering my own hair color? The girl who had about four inches of it grown in???!!! WTF?? I take digital photos at home, check it in the sunlight the next morning. Black. On Monday when I go into work, my boss says it's black. Where's the depth? He wants to send me to get it taken care of immediately. Friday...exactly one week later, I'm back at a salon where they do not deal with relaxed hair (I was the ONLY person of color there besides a towel lady) and after five hours, got the look I was supposed to have in the first place. By the grace of god (and I think the vitamin regimen I started after finding LHCF) I still have any hair at all!

P.S. My FORMER stylist insists my hair is not black, it's called Sable...and despite what my boss says, everyone in my life says, the lights say, and every person on the PLANET besides Stevie Wonder, Jose Feliciano and Amadou and Mariam can clearly see...it's dark brown. Silly, silly me! This stylist should know better. I certainly know better now. I may be flying back to Miami just to get someone who takes caring for a relaxed head of hair a lot more seriously. What I need now (besides a new, local stylist) is advice on caring for fragile, color-treated relaxed tresses. My last relaxer was at the end of March...I'd love to come out of it, but I'm afraid my hair might not be able to handle much more abuse. *Whew!* I feel a lot better now!
 
Welp, since my original response to this thread has been lost you will get the shorter version (IF IT SAVES THIS TIME!!!!!)

I'm sorry that your hair has gone through such drama. Some stylists really need to hang up their blow dryers and curling irons and step away. Ot but why does your job get to decide how you wear your hair? Do they pay for you to have it done?
 
Many stylists seem to have a hearing impediment or something of that nature. You can spell it all out on paper for them and for some reason they still don't get it :confused:.
 
May I ask what type of work you do where your bosses feel it's their right to advise you about your hair color choices? I mean they even participated in a consultation ... are you a model or spokesperson otherwise that seems a bit extreme..



Oh, and your stylist is an ass. :ohwell:
 
ibmgirl,
Sorry that your hair has been through so much stress. If you learn nothing else on this board, you will definitely learn that adding moisture to your care will go a long way and that there is no one that can care for your hair like you can. So what is your goal right now?

If you don't mind my asking (if i am not being too nosy), what do you do that dictates or shall i say, allows your company to dictate how you wear your hair? Do they pay to get it styled as well. (i know i am being nosy, but you don't have to answer if you don't want to)
 
Ladies --

Thanks so much for all the replies! Yes, I do work in local TV news, so yes, my bosses have a great deal of input in terms of what I do to my hair. Some news directors are bigger sticklers than others...in this shop, if any on-air people want to do a major change regarding cut or color it has to be approved.
 
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Wow!!! I didn't know that was you---I live in Metro Detroit and see you on the news all the time-girl your hair is gorgeous!!!! Sorry for your hair coloring fiasco!!! And aren't the stylists up here outrageous in their prices and their service sucks!! That's why I have gone back to doing my own hair-I've lived here almost 5 years and have yet to find a really good stylist. You should check out Reniece at JCPenney at the Oakland Mall. She is really good, and I think they specialize in corrective color. Good luck!!!
 
Hey, maybe u can have them give you a personal hairstylist. ;) Anyway, I'm sorry to hear about your color fiasco. I'm in the midst of one now myself. I hope everything works out for you.
 
What an awful, awful mess! I too live in the Metro Detroit area and have had stylist nightmares when it comes to color. My solution was to put a Sebastians colourshine over it. Worked like a charm! I have had nothing but success with Colourshines. In my experience after using them, my hair is a lot softer and shiner after application...

Heaven forbid, but should this happen to you again, try temp color as a solution. HTH.:)
 
Hi ibm girl,

We were neighbors, I'm also from Oak Park, IL....anyway I would be sure to concentrate on moisture and try to go 8-10 weeks between relaxers, but be sure to moisturize at least twice per day & get a good set of moisturizing poos & cond.

I know you're in the public eye but if you could lay off the heat, it would tremendously improve your hair. HTH
 
Are you in the Detroit area? I ask that because if you would like to switch stylists I would love for you to meet my stylist. I have been going to her for almost 14 years, she nursed my sister hair back to health after a relaxer mishap when she was away at college and we have been loyal customers ever since.

PM me if you want more information.
P.S. I have a few pictures of my hair in my fotki (it's brand new)
 
Seems like you been through hell and back with your hair. Sorry to hear your drama. I hope you find a good stylist soon.
 
Ladies --

Thanks so much for the supportive emails and the sympathy. What a whirlwind couple of days! I do live in Detroit and I'm starting the process of looking for a new stylist since I absolutely, positively cannot do my own hair. One of my coworkers is trying to get me on the "weave wagon", but I just don't know if I'm ready for that yet.

When I have someone who knows what they're doing, my hair can get healthy. I had a deep conditioning treatment at another spot (the burbs...my former guy was in Detroit) and I'm afraid she was REALLY heavy handed in the shampoo bowl. Why is this so hard?? I really do believe that the few tips I've actually taken to heart on this board (vitamins and, well...reducing heat) have made this far less damaging than it could have been. It's been two weeks and I still have hair!

P.S. I'm struggling with adding photos...
 
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Hello there!

I'm sorry to hear about all the trauma that your hair's gone through!

Right as I found this board, I just had a touch up, and two weeks later, I put a permanent color (lighter) in part of my hair...yikes! :eek: It took a few weeks for me to catch on that I should not have done this, and even though I don't see any breakage in that area, it is dry, so I've been making sure that part gets moisturized good. I also deep condition my hair, so it doesn't look that bad.

I agree with the suggestions here that you should moisturize your hair, I would definitely do that twice a day, with a good water-based moisturizer, and also deep condition your hair, at least once a week, twice if your schedule allows it.

Hope this helps, and I hope you I hope you do find a good stylist! :)
 
ibm girl said:
Ladies --

Thanks so much for all the replies! Yes, I do work in local TV news, so yes, my bosses have a great deal of input in terms of what I do to my hair. Some news directors are bigger sticklers than others...in this shop, if any on-air people want to do a major change regarding cut or color it has to be approved.

Hi IBM girl. Sorry about your ordeal. One question....how do your bosses feel about conservative protective styling? For instance, a classic bun? A chic french roll? Just wondering. Your job frightens me for the sheer fact of having to get your hair heat styled so often. Do you do protein treatments to keep up the strength of your hair?
 
Hery ibmgirl,

I'm in the business too...and for quite a few years it was hell on my hair. :perplexed Heat, backcombing, you name it...ugh.

Instead of having to depend on a stylist, I learned to do my own hair...because no one will take better care of it than ME.
I'm also trying to cut back on the heat, but we both know how important it is for our hair to be on point on the air. *sigh*

Thankfully my bosses keep their input to a minimum...as long as I keep it stylish and attractive. I do have to get permission before a drastic haircut or color change for example. Otherwise, they let me go on my merry way.

On certain days, (and because of humidity during my shift) I depend on pretty updos to keep my hair neat and in check.
You may want to try that. And believe me, the info from this board is invaluable, it's probably the only reason my hair is still thriving! Good luck! :)
 
IBM GIRL -
As a fellow TV anchor lady myself, my advise would be to take control of your own hair.
No one can do my hair as well as I do, thanks to practice, commitment and LHCF.
With the length of your hair, you're in a great position to do wraps and leave some rollers in the top for height.
My hair is shorter with layers, so I don't have that luxury.
Thanks to co-washes and great product lines here, I've nursed my damaged, breaking, brittle, see-through hair back to life.
I wash or co/wash my hair 2-3 times a week and take MSM, flaxseed oil, and multivitamin. All have done wonders for my hair and I still use HEAT EVERYDAY.
Sorry I don't post photos - but I've had great progress.
Regimen in my signature.
PM me if you have any other questions.
Congrats on making it to a Top 10 market!

Newslady
 
Ladies --

This experience does have a plus side...more help and advice from the ladies of LHCF!

Denim -- any recs for water-based conditioners? i tried kenra's and I don't see any real progress. i may try the deep conditioning 2x/week in the meantime.

Can'tB/Womanly -- ahh, the protective styling. I'd be queen of the updo if my boss would let me, but he HATES when I wear my hair up. They want a "glamorous" look for me, and in my mind, there's nothing more glam than an updo, but I guess my definition differs...I'll have to keep looking for one that we can agree on.

Newslady -- thanks for the congrats on cracking the top ten. I wish I had the nerve to do my own hair, but I'm terrified. Do you mean do everything yourself? Relaxing, trimming, etc?? I'm still working on mastering a roller set!

I have to say I have learned so much through this board, I could be in a much worse place than I am. I wish I could figure out how to add several pictures to show the changes, but I'm having difficulty with that. When I get home this afternoon I'm going to try Macherie's protein-first washing series. I'm nine weeks post-relaxer and I'm hoping to stretch a bit longer before getting another touch-up. Meanwhile, happy hair everyone!
 
ibm girl said:
Newslady -- thanks for the congrats on cracking the top ten. I wish I had the nerve to do my own hair, but I'm terrified. Do you mean do everything yourself? Relaxing, trimming, etc?? I'm still working on mastering a roller set!

I shampoo co/wash my own hair 2-3 times a week.
I trim my own hair and even do my own color rinses over my professional highlights - helps stretch out the time for my highlights.
I do my own protein treatments and trims.
My self-relaxing experiences didn't go well b/c my hair is COARSE and I end up overlapping. So I get my relaxers professionally done.
Rollersets are HARD and I still haven't perfected it.
So I just put rollers in my crown and wrap the rest - or - rollers in the crown, comb the sides and back straight down and sit under the dryer for 20-30 mins.
Then I flat iron/bump it.
I USE HEAT EVERYDAY - which ladies here would want to shoot me for - but HEY, it works.

And remember IBM, any money you spend on your appearance for TV/Work - IS TAX DEDUCTIBLE!
 
Hi, ibm girl!

I use UBH Dew, I think this is a pretty good water-based moisturizer, and I have fine hair, so it doesn't weigh my hair down. Here's the link to where you can buy it:

http://www.ubhpublications.com/ProductOrdering.html

Here's a pic:

dew_conditioner.jpg


Hope this helps! :)
 
as far as doing your hair youself...id recommend caruso steam rollers for soft fluffy swingy sexy curls. u can use them daily to get the fresh from the salon look..u can't mess this up. On the weekend, wash, and blowdry your hair and then use the rollers and see if you (and your boss) like the look. I can even let my hair air dry and then use the rollers, if its one of the days when i don't particularly care about bonestraight hair.... and they use steam so they are somewhat moisturizing. I use UBH dew as well...it works for me. Good luck!
 
newslady said:
And remember IBM, any money you spend on your appearance for TV/Work - IS TAX DEDUCTIBLE!

Amen to that! :grin:

I shampoo my own hair 2 to 3 a week, only go to the salon for a relaxer and trim when I need it.
Not great at rollersets, I've tried but I always end up looking funky.

I've used the Caruso Molecular Hair setter for years...it makes my hair bouncy full and curly without frizz...give it a try! It beats having to use heat every day.
 
OK. We used to have a color expert on here named Tracy-- the oldheads will remember her. She was nuts about haircolor and colored her hair alot and so knew alot about how to keep colored/highlighted hair on your head. I'm cutting and pasting below her "Bootcamp" regimen for colored and relaxed hair. I hope it helps. :)
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For colored girls who have considered suicide when the breakage is just too much!!!

For all my colored girls (and those considering it) - since I'm in the throes of my new color joy, and getting back to my "color plan" I decided to post and let you guys know the schedule and the products I plan to use to maintain it. The most important thing I found about having healthy double processed hair is making sure you do all the preemptive strikes, so that you don't have to correct havoc - but instead you stave it off....

The key is balancing protein and moisture and protecting the cuticle. It is a A LOT of work...so for those who like a simpler regime and are on the fence about coloring, let this be your guide.

So today - because rinses are key in cuticle protection for my hair, I added a rinse - Sebastian in Glorious Gold. It reddened the color a little - but not by much and it did correct a few spots I missed, or didn't process as much, and it blended everything fairly well....it still needs some work, but I can live for now. If you love your color and you don't want to change the tone - you can use clear.

Next, a VERY mild shampoo is in order. The idea is to minimize the cuticle degradation as much as possible by using something that doesn't strip, AND preserves color. I went and got some Neutrogena Triple Moisture Shampoo and it's EXACTLY what I was looking for. It contains tons of oil - which works well in sealing that parched cuticle - and is very very mild.

Another thing I'm going to do to make sure the cuticle stays happy is a sealing treatment (just one, the heat too often can be a bit much on colored hair if you do it TOO often, as well as pull color from the hair) about 3 weeks after I color. I wet my hair, towel dry gently, and put some Olive Oil on my midshaft and ends, and wrap about 6 locks of the now oiled hair in foil. Then I go over the foil with a flat iron. I just squeeze and move - no sliding - to get the heat evenly on each part of the shaft. A few seconds is enough to do the trick. But be careful not to touch your damp hair with the iron.

Then, very importantly, you need to be sure your hair is getting enough external protein . Relaxing breaks the protein bonds in the hair....and changes their shape so the curl "relaxes". Color attacks the pigment - which is also made up of proteins (and yes, melanin) and removes, and then deposits color, in the place of what it just removed. A VIOLENT process on relaxed hair. As such, you MUST add protein FAR more often (at least in the beginning) than most relaxed heads. Once a week at minimum. I'm going to use Elasta Breakage Control Serum and Pantene as a follow up.

But we all know protein can make the hair brittle, and colored hair will err on the side of brittle without much help - so you need your moisture too....but we aren't talking the five minute version we might ordinarily do on reg relaxed heads. you need both a FULL protein treatment, AND a full moisture treatment.

To make sure my hair gets equal amounts of each, I use a protein treatment one wash, with heat for 30 minutes and then follow with a 5 minute moisture treatment and then the next wash is a FULL moisture treatment (which for me means 30 minutes, no heat - the heat doesn't matter so so much if you like it, but be advised that wet, hot hair leaches color and you MAY want to skip the heat on the moisture treatment to be safe. For moisture, I'm most likely going to use any number of good moisture conditioners I use and like including: Kenra MC, Dudley's MC, Humectress, Pantene Intensive Restoration, Feria Color Moisturizing Conditioner and many more. I also have the Neutrogena mask - so that might be a staple if I end up liking it. I alternate like this for 4 weeks up until my next touch up.

Which brings me to - relaxers. I ONLY use a mild on my hair. because I color, the milder the relaxer the formula the better. You might be able to take a regualr if you must, but I don't recommend it. It rarely works out well. I relax anywhere from 4- 6 weeks after my color application. Any sooner and you risk the chemicals reacting with one another which can mean some breakage. I don't take the chance. I wait. Yes - you CAN do it 2 weeks after you color - but I prefer to be safe than sorry.

Once you're washing, conditioning and relaxing on schedule, the other thing to consider is daily maintenance and handling. When I wash I am always EXTRA careful - esp the first few weeks out. No massaging all my hair on top of my head - I pour the shampoo into my hand, use the pads of my fingers to get up and under my hair to my scalp a nd I make sure it clean and then I smooth my hands downward over the rest of my hair and squeeze the shampoo down to my ends - like milking a cow. I also try to USE shampoo as infrequently as possible the first few weeks - both to prevent fading and to prevent to much snarling and roughing of the cuticle.

I also NEVER put a comb in my hair without some kind of lubricant - leave in if wet and a little oil if it's dry. When you dont color you can break this rule occasionally. When you color, you can almost GUARANTEE breakage if you do. I don't take the chance.

Then I make sure to put a little oil on my ends and seal them a little more often than I do when I'm not colored. It also really helps cut down on breakage. Serums have the same effect - once again Neutrogena, as well as some Vitamin E oil will be my choices.

Many of you have PMed me to ask for my new regime now that I've colored. Here it is. Read it and weep!

But truly, it's worth having color for me- and it's not nearly as onerous as it will look in this 20 page post!

I hope it helps someone.
stick to two if I can - but with natural instincts you can go a week if you MUST. But I'd stick to two. The most important thing is to have washed your hair a few times after the relaxer...so if you do it in a week make sure you wash 2 or 3 times during that week.

The regime is more for highlights and permie color, but hair colored with DEMIpermanants (which is actually what Natural Instincts is) could also use the TLC. You probably just don't have to be as diligent and frequent with the alternating treatments.
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