Obama's Health Care Plan wake up for the church stay in prayer

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We should already know about this God always sends warning, and His word spoke on this:
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NATIONAL HEALTH SCARE
By Rick Joyner

When I read the brief on what was contained in the National Health Care bill that is now being presented before Congress, I could not believe I was reading something that was actually being considered in the United States of America. This is not about money or government mismanagement—this is about something far more diabolical than that. As incomprehensible as it may seem, this is about euthanasia, the power to determine who lives or dies in America. Hitler and Stalin would have loved to have had a means such as this for dispatching the millions they killed—it would have made their job much easier, and probably given them the ability to kill many more than they did. THIS BILL IS THAT SINISTER. This is not a joke—this is actually the nature of what is being proposed in the National Health Care legislation, and it is the obvious reason why the Obama Administration wants to ram it through Congress before anyone gets a chance to read it.

I have resolved to always be as generous as I can toward people with opposing views of my own. I do this because I believe it is the mandate of I Corinthians 13 to always believe the best about people, rather than the worst. I know this opens me up to be misled by some, but I consider that a small price to pay to not become cynical. I also do it because I think it is wise to always try and understand the position of my opponents—to be open to consider their positions and not be too rigid or inflexible to change because we all “see in part,” and “know in part.” Because of this, I have been chided for being too generous by giving those I do challenge grace by believing that they had not thought through the consequences of their proposals, or had other good intentioned reasons for doing what they were doing. However, after reading the brief on this health care bill, I don’t see how anyone could not see that there is profound evil and evil intent at work here. I just do not see any way to be any more generous with those who proposed this bill than that. It is that bad.


This bill is obviously designed to put the authority to determine who lives and dies in America into the hands of government bureaucrats. As outrageous as that seems, it is true—you can read it yourself. It even gives the government access to all of your accounts, and the authority to make withdrawals. I know this is hard to believe, but you can read it yourself.
Do you want a government bureaucrat to determine if your mother or father can receive treatment, even in life and death cases? Would you want a government bureaucrat to determine if your child, or you, could receive treatment, even when it means life or death? Think of the best experience that you ever had working with a government bureaucrat, and then think about them having the power to make a potentially life or death choice for your child, your parents, or for you. This is actually what is being proposed.

Add to that chilling thought the fact that this bureaucrat does not have to know one thing about medicine to be in that position. In fact, this bill proposes letting the government define what quality health care is and impose that definition on health care workers. Nowhere does it even specify what training, expertise, or qualifications this all-powerful government bureaucrat has to have to be placed in the position to make such ultimate decisions for the health, well-being, and even the lives of Americans.

Am I being too hard on bureaucrats, or the Obama Administration’s intentions? Certainly there are many bureaucrats who are sincere and true public servants. I agree that such are deserving of our appreciation and respect. The modern world could not exist without them. Think of the most noble and conscientious there are. What kind of position would we be putting them in to have to go to work every day and decide who is going to get treatment, who is going to have to go on a waiting list and for how long, and who are they going to have to just let die?

Who could live with such a job? There are many who could, who would just see it as paperwork, and those are the ones who would be in that position because the truly noble ones could not endure it. Hitler found many who could dispatch thousands each day, and then go home and enjoy their own families at night. There are people with that kind of moral disconnect. These jobs will be filled and by the very ones we would never want in such positions.

It is beyond anything I thought I would ever see in my lifetime that such a bill could ever be seriously considered in the U.S. Congress. This bill has the potential for totalitarian control to be imposed on America to a degree that Hitler and Stalin could not have even imagined. With the technology available now, totalitarian control can very quickly be imposed to a degree far beyond what was attained by either the Nazis or the Communists, and this bill has provisions in it for just that. It mandates the sharing of all of your personal information, from just about every conceivable source, with the new health care bureaucracy being set up to implement this national health care system. The penalties for trying to escape this web are serious. This would actually make America into a national concentration camp, and we can be sure that ultimately it will be a national death camp. You do not have to take my word for it—read it for yourself. Below I will include a brief on this bill so that you can look it up, chapter and verse.

I am a pastor and a watchman, and I therefore have a mandate to watch out for the people, and to sound the alarm when I see a threat. I have never seen one like this before. Even so, I have prayed for restraint and calm as I address this, and do not want to exaggerate anything. In spite of this terrible evil that is manifesting itself through the Obama Administration, I am resolved to pray for our government leaders, and I try to pray for the President every day. My sincere hope is for a spiritual awakening for him and for those in every government position, and for the Lord to give them wisdom and help for the most difficult task they have. However, with all due respect (and I mean this), what is coming out of the Obama Administration is evil, more evil than anything I thought I would ever see in America. It is time to call it what it is.

In the early 1990s, myself and a few other prophetic friends were all shown separately, but at the same general time, that the same evil that gained access to Germany in the 1930s was going to seek access to America. I have shared this often since then, and have made many trips to Germany to seek to understand what happened there. Col. Eugene Bird became one of my dearest friends, and I spent many days with him listening to what he had learned about this, which was considerable. Col. Bird was the U.S. Commandant of the Spandau Prison that held the Nazi war criminals, and ultimately became the one many considered to be the foremost authority on Nazi Germany. Bird’s insight into how evil can gain entry into the human soul and into governments was remarkable, but I always had trouble seeing a connection that would allow what happened there to actually happen in America. Bird often chastised me for this, warning that it could easily happen in America (Col. Bird lived most of his life in Germany, where he became loved and esteemed by that nation, but he remained a patriotic American to the end). Bird often explained how the evil spirit of death that took over Germany gained entry through its health care system. Now it is easy to see what he was talking about in what is being proposed by the Obama Administration.

In Germany, the National Socialists (Nazis) gradually desensitized the nation to death beginning with abortion. Then they quietly, seemingly with the most noble intentions, rounded up the retarded and insane, claiming that the state could take much better care of them, but no one ever saw or heard from them again. Then they did the same with the elderly. As word slipped out that they were being euthanized, it was explained that war made it necessary to eliminate all of the “useless eaters” so that the troops could be fed, as well as those who worked for the war machine. By that time, the grip of control was too strong for anyone to protest or they would also be sent to the camps. Life became cheaper and cheaper, people became more and more depraved, and millions were slaughtered in the death camps.

America is following a parallel course. If Hitler had a tool such as the health care bill that is being proposed by Congress, along with the technology of control now available, it would have made his task much easier and more effective, and probably resulted in many millions more having been easily murdered.

I have had Presidents, candidates, senators, and congressmen and congresswomen from both parties tell me they have read and appreciated my writings. I have maintained for many years that an eagle needs both a left wing and a right wing to fly, and believe that there are excellent men and women of true conviction in both parties. I realize that by writing with this tenor, I risk being considered an extremist, and maybe risk many relationships, but I cannot be concerned about that. With such an extreme evil threatening our country, I would have a difficult time standing before the Lord on that great judgment day if I did not speak up as boldly, as clearly, and as loudly as I can. Call me an alarmist and I will agree with you—I am going to do my best to sound the alarm against evil in every way that I can, and I don’t think I have ever seen anything with the potential for evil like this national health care bill.
 
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I pray that every Christian will wake up and rise up to take their stand against what is happening in our country now. If we do, we can stop this. If we don’t, we will have to stand before the Judge having let this happen on our watch. We can expect persecution and even death for standing against such a bold and obvious attack of the spirit of death, but no Christian should fear death, and no Christian will want to live in the world that is now taking shape if we do not become the salt and light we are called to be.

We are in need of the courage and resolve of Gandalf in the Lord of the Rings, who stood before the huge and terrible Balrog demon and declared—“YOU SHALL NOT PASS!” The demon was stopped, and even though it was able to grab and drag Gandalf down with it, Gandalf returned with a new level of authority. It does not matter what the consequences are for standing for truth, as Christians we must stand because it is our basic duty. As the first apostles demonstrated, to be persecuted and to suffer shame for our God and His truth is one of the greatest honors. However, we must do it for more than honor—we must also do it for our children and their children.

Last night on Fox News, a former Clinton Administration council to the President stated courageously that this bill was not just about money, it was about euthanasia. The money part does not make any sense at all, but now that the real evil that is driving this can be clearly seen, we can understand that the Administration really does not care about saving money or providing health care for everyone; rather it is about control. There is already talk about this being about saving money by being able to euthanize the baby boomers so they will not have to be paid social security, or weigh down the health care system with their needs. I’m not ready to go that far, but that is obviously why the Florida congressman declared that this bill was a death sentence for the elderly. That is true.

The only commandment with a promise that it will go well with us, and that we may live long, is the commandment to honor our fathers and mothers. This commandment is found in both the Old and New Testaments (see Ephesians 6:2-3). Killing them when they can no longer be productive, as Hitler and Stalin resolved to do, is the most dishonorable thing we could ever do, and we can be sure will bring the opposite to the blessing promised. As you read the bill, and see how excessively long they stay on the point of being able to determine what and if any care is given to the elderly, you will see it really is chilling. It is obvious this is a primary purpose of those who wrote this bill. I know this sounds far-fetched, and I would not have believed it myself a few days ago, but just read it for yourself.

The following is a brief outline of this bill put together by Mat Staver of the Freedom Foundation and Liberty Counsel (contact info is at the end). The comments by the brief are Mat’s, except where I have noted my own by putting them in italics. The bold is also mine.
After reading, please do not wait to contact your representatives to protest this. If you don’t get through, keep calling, send emails, but do not stop until you know your voice has been heard.
Obama Health Care Plan Details
HR 3200 currently under consideration in the House of Representatives

Pg 22 of the HC Bill MANDATES the Govt will audit the books of ALL EMPLOYERS that self insure!!
Pg 30 Sec 123 of HC bill - THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benefits you get
Pg 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill - YOUR HEALTHCARE IS RATIONED!!!
Pg 42 of HC Bill - The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your benefits for you. You have no choice!
Pg 50 Section 152 in HC bill - HC will be provided to ALL non US citizens, illegal or otherwise
Pg 58HC Bill – Gov’t will have real-time access to individual’s finances & a National ID Health care card will be issued!
Pg 59 HC Bill lines 21-24 Govt will have direct access to your banks accts for electronic funds transfer.Pg 65 Sec 164 is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in Unions & community orgs (ACORN).
Pg 72 Lines 8-14 Govt is creating an HC Exchange to bring priv HC plans under Govt control.
Pg 84 Sec 203 HC bill - Govt mandates ALL benefit packages for private Health Care plans in the Exchange
Pg 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specs for of Benefit Levels for Plans = The Govt will ration your Healthcare!
Pg 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill - Govt mandates linguistic appropriate services.
Example - Translation for illegal aliens.
Pg 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18 The Govt will use groups i.e., ACORN & Americorps to sign up individuals for Govt HC plan
Pg 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specs of Ben Levels 4 Plans. #AARP members - Your Health Care WILL be rationed
Pg 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill - Medicaid Eligible Individual will be automat.enrolled in Medicaid. No choice.
Pg 124 lines 24-25 HC No company can sue Govt on price fixing. No “judicial review” against Govt Monopoly.
Pg 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill - Doctors/ #AMA - The Govt will tell YOU what you can make.
Pg 145 Line 15-17 An Employer MUST auto enroll employees into public opt plan. NO CHOICE
Pg 126 Lines 22-25 Employers MUST pay for HC for part time employees AND their families.
Pg 149 Lines 16-24 ANY Employer w/ payroll 400k & above who does not prov. pub opt. pays 8% tax on all payroll
Pg 150 Lines 9-13 Biz w payroll btw 251k & 400k who doesnt provide public opt pays 2-6% tax on all payroll Pg 167 Lines 18-23 ANY individual who doesnt have acceptable HC according to Govt will be taxed 2.5% of income.
Pg 170 Lines 1-3 Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from individual taxes. (Americans will pay).
Pg 195 Officers & employees of HC Admin (GOVT) will have access to ALL Americans financial and personal records.
Pg 203 Line 14-15 HC - “The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax” Yes, it says that. Pg 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill Govt will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors, low income, poor affected.
Pg 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill - Doctors, it does not matter what specialty you have, you’ll all be paid the same.
Pg 253 Line 10-18 Govt sets value of Dr’s time, prof judg, etc. Literally value of humans.
Pg 265 Sec 1131Govt mandates & controls productivity for private HC industries.
Pg 268 Sec 1141 Fed Govt regulates rental & purchase of power driven wheelchairs.
Pg 272 SEC. 1145. Treatment of certain cancer hospitals – Cancer patients - welcome to rationing!Page 280 Sec 1151 The Govt will penalize hospitals for what Govt deems preventable readmissions. (Incentives for hospital to not treat and release.)
Pg 298 Lines 9-11 Drs, treat a patient during initial admission that results in a readmission-Govt will penalize you.
Pg 317 L 13-20 PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. Govt tells Drs. what/how much they can own.Pg 317-318 lines 21-25,1-3 PROHIBITION on expansion- Govt is mandating hospitals cannot expand.
pg 321 2-13 Hospitals have opportunity to apply for exception BUT community input required. Can you say ACORN?!!
Pg335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339 - Govt mandates established of outcome based measures. HC the way they want. Rationing.
Pg 341 Lines 3-9 Govt has authority to disqualify Medicare Advantage Plans (Part B), HMOs, etc. Forcing people into Govt plan.
Pg 354 Sec 1177 - Govt will RESTRICT enrollment of Special needs people!
Pg 379 Sec 1191 Govt creates more bureaucracy - Telehealth Advisory Committee. HC by phone/Internet?
Pg 425 Lines 4-12 Govt mandates Advance [Death] Care Planning Consult. Think Senior Citizens end of life.
Pg 425 Lines 17-19 Govt will instruct & consult regarding living wills, durable powers of atty. Mandatory!
Pg 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3 Gov’t provides approved list of end of life resources, guiding you in death.
Pg 427 Lines 15-24 Govt mandates program for orders for end of life. The Gov’t has a say in how your life ends.
Pg 429 Lines 1-9 An “adv. care planning consult” will be used frequently as patients health deteriorates.
Pg 429 Lines 10-12 “adv. care consultation” may incl an ORDER for end of life plans. AN ORDER from GOV
Pg 429 Lines 13-25 - The govt will specify which Doctors can write an end of life order.
PG 430 Lines 11-15 The Govt will decide what level of treatment you will have at end of life
 
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Thanks for this. However, no matter what happens....we as Christians, believers in Jesus Christ, should know that these are just the beginnings of birth pains. We need to be out, leading people to Jesus Christ...bringing them into the kingdom of God!

Blessings.
 
Thanks for this. However, no matter what happens....we as Christians, believers in Jesus Christ, should know that these are just the beginnings of birth pains. We need to be out, leading people to Jesus Christ...bringing them into the kingdom of God!

Blessings.

Yes, I am more eager to spread the gospel and tell people the Kingdom is at hand! It's kind of exciting:grin: all that is happening.
 
Thanks for this. However, no matter what happens....we as Christians, believers in Jesus Christ, should know that these are just the beginnings of birth pains. We need to be out, leading people to Jesus Christ...bringing them into the kingdom of God!

Blessings.

It's not President Obama.... :nono: This has all been prophesied ... A new world order. :yep:
 
Yes, I am more eager to spread the gospel and tell people the Kingdom is at hand! It's kind of exciting:grin: all that is happening.
Saved, you shared an excellent post. Both you and Nice and Wavy are on point with this message. :up: :yep:

Thanks doll.... :Rose:
 
False Euthanasia Claims
The claim that the House health care bill pushes suicide is nonsense.

July 29, 2009



Summary
On former Sen. Fred Thompson’s radio show, former lieutenant governor of New York Betsy McCaughey said that the House’s proposed health care bill contained a provision that would institute mandatory counseling sessions telling seniors how "to do what’s in society’s best interest … and cut your life short." House Minority Leader John Boehner made a slightly more measured statement, warning that the same provision "may start us down a treacherous path toward government-encouraged euthanasia if enacted into law."

In truth, that section of the bill would require Medicare to pay for voluntary counseling sessions helping seniors to plan for end-of-life medical care, including designating a health care proxy, choosing a hospice and making decisions about life-sustaining treatment. It would not require doctors to counsel that their patients refuse medical intervention.
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/07/false-euthanasia-claims/
 
False Euthanasia Claims
The claim that the House health care bill pushes suicide is nonsense.
July 29, 2009



Summary
On former Sen. Fred Thompson’s radio show, former lieutenant governor of New York Betsy McCaughey said that the House’s proposed health care bill contained a provision that would institute mandatory counseling sessions telling seniors how "to do what’s in society’s best interest … and cut your life short." House Minority Leader John Boehner made a slightly more measured statement, warning that the same provision "may start us down a treacherous path toward government-encouraged euthanasia if enacted into law."

In truth, that section of the bill would require Medicare to pay for voluntary counseling sessions helping seniors to plan for end-of-life medical care, including designating a health care proxy, choosing a hospice and making decisions about life-sustaining treatment. It would not require doctors to counsel that their patients refuse medical intervention.
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/07/false-euthanasia-claims/

Thank you for this!
 
Yet another reminder to remove ourselves from the World System and live in God's System... this "news" will instill only fear in those are not relying on God in the first place. I agree w/ Saved...we are to go out to bring more to Christ more than ever before, because this is nothing but prophesy. We should fear not but be excited about what God is about to do!
 
Thank you for this!

You're welcome. I think the most damage that is going to be done is not what Obama is going to do but what people will claim that he is going to do. The Family Research Council is running false ads regarding health reform.
http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/blog/...ndemns-family-research-council-ads-misleading

It's so disappointing to see so many Christian organizations falling for these lies and scare tactics.

We have to be on our toes more than ever before.

...........insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
(Matt 24:24)
 
You're welcome. I think the most damage that is going to be done is not what Obama is going to do but what people will claim that he is going to do. The Family Research Council is running false ads regarding health reform.
http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/blog/...ndemns-family-research-council-ads-misleading

It's so disappointing to see so many Christian organizations falling for these lies and scare tactics.

We have to be on our toes more than ever before.

...........insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
(Matt 24:24)
I have to agree with you on this....and with Laela as well.

We, as the people of God, can't walk in fear. We must now, more than ever, take a stand for God and His Word like never before. We should always be on our watchposts....watching and praying, because the days are evil.

No matter which president would be in office....the end of the world is nigh upon us and the enemy is out to kill, steal and to destroy mankind.

As believers, we must WAKE UP and realize that these things must come to pass, and then the end shall come. Using scare tactics like this is truly unecessary and unwise.

We must warn people about the fact that Jesus is coming soon, and for them to prepare their hearts to meet Him, just as Jesus told the story of the 10 Bridesmaids and 5 of them were foolish because they were not prepared for the Bridegroom and when he came, they tried to go and get the oil needed for their lamps, but....too bad, so sad...they weren't prepared and he came and took the 5 bridesmaids that were ready and prepared to meet him. So shall it be when Jesus comes for His bride...the Church!

See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise, redeeming the time, because the days are evil. Ephesians 5: 15-16
 
I agree...it just saddens me that a lot of this is being fulfilled on Obama's presidential term :sad:.
I know, I feel sad as well. I also feel sad that he is truly is being 'puppeted' in a lot of this.

Here's something to consider. He entered into this position with an extremely heavy load. A load that absolutely no man could or can ever bear. Not in 4 years nor in 400.

We are living in the 'harvest' of previous plantings of corrupt seeds. President Obama is striving to bring 'relief' to the people... and much needed relief as of 50 years ago, long before many of us were even born or conceived. He is not the cause of this. But he's trying to clear a path to bring some kind of relief and help for the millions of people in need. And the needs kept growing; like jungle plants. No sooner than he's able to chop one down with a machate', more keep popping up and he's literally in a tangled web that won't cease it's growth and strangle.

Wanna take a shot or a guess at who the jungle is?

Hint: We see each the culprits each and everyday. :yep:
 
I honestly did not know what all of the isssues were with the healthcare plan. Bad on my part that I have been tuning out the media somewhat, well maybe not so bad. However, I know that God is in control and His will shall be fulfilled.
 
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I honestly did not know what all of the isssues were with the healthcare plan. Bad on my part that I have been tuning out the media somewhat, well maybe not so bad. However, I know that God is in control and His will shall be fulfilled.


This healthcare plan is indeed very involved. The bill is almost 1200 pages long. What's bothering me is that so many people on the right are trying to kill this bill with lies. I haven't heard one truthful argument against the health care bill. That's not to say it's a perfect plan but why can't they debate the merits of the bill instead lying and claiming things that aren't in it?

I also know that God is in control. I just hope we will use wisdom regarding who's report we will believe.
 
This healthcare plan is indeed very involved. The bill is almost 1200 pages long. What's bothering me is that so many people on the right are trying to kill this bill with lies. I haven't heard one truthful argument against the health care bill. That's not to say it's a perfect plan but why can't they debate the merits of the bill instead lying and claiming things that aren't in it?

I also know that God is in control. I just hope we will use wisdom regarding who's report we will believe.

The sad thing is it will always be this game of politics which is why I try to stay out of that loop. Sometimes I wish it would all just go away. You hate to take it all personal, but again why all of this with our new president?
 
False Euthanasia Claims
The claim that the House health care bill pushes suicide is nonsense.
July 29, 2009



Summary
On former Sen. Fred Thompson’s radio show, former lieutenant governor of New York Betsy McCaughey said that the House’s proposed health care bill contained a provision that would institute mandatory counseling sessions telling seniors how "to do what’s in society’s best interest … and cut your life short." House Minority Leader John Boehner made a slightly more measured statement, warning that the same provision "may start us down a treacherous path toward government-encouraged euthanasia if enacted into law."

In truth, that section of the bill would require Medicare to pay for voluntary counseling sessions helping seniors to plan for end-of-life medical care, including designating a health care proxy, choosing a hospice and making decisions about life-sustaining treatment. It would not require doctors to counsel that their patients refuse medical intervention.
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/07/false-euthanasia-claims/

Thank you so much for getting FACTS! Sometimes we as christians listen to what christian leaders say as facts and creditable sources when they are not. We must make sure that our witness is not weakened with inaccuracy and scare tactics!
 
Interesting. I would like to check out this bill anyway...to see if the claims are true or false for myself. Whatever happens, only the Lord will see us through...
 
I would just like to know if anyone here has actually read H.R. 3200 or any parts of it? I agree with the ladies here that 1st and foremost we serve God and His agenda trumps anything going on in this world. I also agree that it is sad for people to listen to anyone including leaders, news media, or certain political groups and never read things for themselves. I have found that is a major way deception takes place in the lives of Christians. I have had lots of conversations with non Christians who stated things about the bible or Jesus and had lots of links and articles to support their point of view. In the end however, very few of them have ever read the bible themselves or even portions of it. How can we discuss Moby Dick if we have both not read it? I know religious people who go to church faithfully and receive whatever is said but those same people do not read the bible themselves. Think microwave society. Everything including salvation needs to be quick fast and in a hurry. You get my point... That said from what I understand God wants us to make informed choices and be active in our government affairs. HR 3200 is long and tedious reading but I have started to read it for myself. Before I am black, a woman, a mother, a grandmother, sister, friend, healthy hair enthusiast, and everything else that makes me me I identify myself first as a Christian. Thanks for posting all links. We should post links of opposing views as well to be better informed all around I think. If anyone is lying time will tell the truth. It always does... Here is the link to HR 3200 for those who want to read and interpret it for themselves.
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c111:1:./temp/~c111OKdoY4:e1212:
 
I would just like to know if anyone here has actually read H.R. 3200 or any parts of it? I agree with the ladies here that 1st and foremost we serve God and His agenda trumps anything going on in this world. I also agree that it is sad for people to listen to anyone including leaders, news media, or certain political groups and never read things for themselves. I have found that is a major way deception takes place in the lives of Christians. I have had lots of conversations with non Christians who stated things about the bible or Jesus and had lots of links and articles to support their point of view. In the end however, very few of them have ever read the bible themselves or even portions of it. How can we discuss Moby Dick if we have both not read it? I know religious people who go to church faithfully and receive whatever is said but those same people do not read the bible themselves. Think microwave society. Everything including salvation needs to be quick fast and in a hurry. You get my point... That said from what I understand God wants us to make informed choices and be active in our government affairs. HR 3200 is long and tedious reading but I have started to read it for myself. Before I am black, a woman, a mother, a grandmother, sister, friend, healthy hair enthusiast, and everything else that makes me me I identify myself first as a Christian. Thanks for posting all links. We should post links of opposing views as well to be better informed all around I think. If anyone is lying time will tell the truth. It always does... Here is the link to HR 3200 for those who want to read and interpret it for themselves.
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c111:1:./temp/~c111OKdoY4:e1212:
Prudent 1, your name is not in vain. God says, "My people perish for lack of knowledge."

God may give me an egg, but I still have to crack it to eat it; and to read the recipe on how to make an omlette or a spinache quiche.

So, we need to crack open HR 3200 and read it. :thankyou: for sharing.
 
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