Natural abuse

kasey

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Hey girls,

A couple of weeks ago I went to get my hair trimmed--well cut. I wanted a couple of inches taken off the ends.

The folks at the salon were nice, but I swear that they all conspired against me.

Here is what happened.

The night before I had done my usual condition wash and twist. That morning I took the twists out and smooth my hair back into a bun, without brushing or combing it back, but my hair was really soft.

Well I get there and take down my bun and immediately the stylist is like--you need reconstruction--as if my hair was totally falling out with every step. Then she tells me that she is a natural hair stylist so I start to think maybe she will be okay.

I tell the stylist that I would like to get a rollerset. The she says, "natural hair can't be rollerset." I was like where are Sweetcocoa and Skeegsmb when I need them. Since I wanted a trim I let it go. (Stylist usually need to blow dry natural heads to do a good trim.)

So she instructs another stylist to shampoo my hair twice with a moisturizing shampoo and then use the reconstructor and sit me under the dryer. The stylist leads me to the shampoo bowl and then the first stylist says, "no, comb her hair out first."

Then the second girl leads me to another chair and starts making light movements with the comb. Then she asks if she is hurting me. (I think there is some stereotype that it hurts to comb a natural head.) While she was combing my hair a guy from the back came through to watch. He asked the stylist if they were gonna style my hair in an afro.
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The stylist said no, and then she tells me how she used to be natural and that she recently relaxed. She said that her natural hair was more wirey than mine. She also said that my hair was in good condition--it wasn't breaking while being combed. (Thanks to you guys.)

Anyhoo I get shampooed, reconstructed. Then after she rinsed out the reconstructor the stylist put a moisturizing conditioner on my hair, but the conditioner also had protein, seaweed, and it only was left on my hair about 30 seconds..

So after my hair was rinsed, you guys know how it looked. It was puffy, with none of my usual ringlets and a little dry feeling.

Then I went back to the first girl's chair and she was like, "see natural hair can't be rollerset." I tried to explain that I needed to sit with the moisturizing conditioner for a longer period of time and that it wasn't a good idea to towel dry my hair, but I let it go.

Well instead of just blowing me dry, which usually happens with my other hair trimmer, another stylist twists my hair, sits me under the dryer, then start to blowdry my hair. Then at some point, without telling me, they decide that they need to prepare my hair for a press (hotcomb) so they untwist it, put on a heat protectant, retwist it, and put me back under the dryer.

I come from under the dryer. Then the first girl says that she is going to flat iron my hair. She barely puts the flat iron on my hair. Then she says, I am gonna have to press it--as if my hair is a brillo pad.

Well my ends, the last two inches, were really bad, they weren't split, but they were thin looking compared to all the new hair I have since LHCF. I wanted to gradually cut off the old hair. But instead of cutting off the two inches I requested. She ends up cutting from three to five inches.

My hair was 8 to 11 inches with a four inch spot at the crown. She wanted to even it all up to the short spot. I had to repeatedly tell her I didn't want that because I wouldn't be able to put it in a bun.

Next, my hair is very baby hair fine and curly at the temples and across my forehead. It has always been this way. But she tells me that my hairline receeding
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and asks if this is hereditary.

Well she stops cutting it, curls it and I ask her to put it in an updo. Then she puts on some type of pomade that made my hair feel sticky. (That wouldn't have happened if the pomade was put on while my hair was wet.)

Then the final insult of the day she says, this hairstyle won't last two weeks like it would on relaxed hair.

At this point I just wanted to scream.

--kc

The only great thing about the visit was the reconstructor. It has been a couple of weeks since the treatment and I have seen dramatically less hair come out after shampooing and conditioning.
 
It sounds like you didn't have a very good experience in this salon. Maybe you should find a hair stylist that is more open to styling all hair types and give less insults. You did better than I would have done in such a salon. After the first / second insult, I would have been heading for my car. I hope your hair style came out looking nice.
 
Girl, I feel your pain. It seems like every time I go to a salon that doesnt have a decent number of natural hair clientelle, I face the same drama. This one time I went to my old stylist's salon after my hair was completely natural for a press, they washed and conditioned me, and he had one of his assistants detangle my hair (which of course was a big curly fro by this point. Do you know his assistant (who, might add was a drag queen that must have skipped her last couple hormone treatments, which was evident by the afternoon shadow gracing her wide jaw
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) had the nerve to grimace on her way over to me? Then, to add insult to injury she raked a vent brush through my hair, muttered something inaudibly, and then walked off all disgusted like I had convenienced her/him. I was so pissed. The bottom line is that if you are not interested in or do not know how to do natural hair then don't put your hands in mine. I'd rather do my hair myself than pay for someone to disrespect me.
 
You know I have a similar problem. I am not happy with my current stylist. (I had to fight her over a trim) So I went to visit a salon this morning. It was rec. by a woman at my job who has hair similar to mine.
OK. Salon was beautiful. Clean. I sat for a while to see if I could feel a vibe...The stylist was very polite. She looked at my hair, told me it was healthy (yeaaaaa!!!) But that she would trim the hair. I got alarmed. I said, "I just had an inch cut last week. I really don't want a trim" She was like, "Well, we'll see. I'll let you know after we deep condition." I had mad an appt. for next week--- but I'm going to cancel. I mean, I don't want to argue. I felt like I was talking to my mommy---"we'll see". I don't want it to be UP to her, it's my decision to trim or not. So that was a red flag for me. I was hoping she would say," OK, well we'll wash and condition and I'll leave it up to you." What do you all think? Should I give her a try??
 
Kasey, I am sorry you went through all of this, however it is a learning experience for you.

Natural hair is really not difficult to care for but there are so many misconceptions about it. One of the great advice I leaned from another hair forum was how to trip natural hair. One of the ladies suggested plaiting the hair in small plaits or braids then clipping the ends. This works great for me. If that does not suit you then for sure go to a salon that caters specifically to natural hair.

How long was this sytlist natural anyway? I hate it when people say they are natural or were naturual and all they mean is that they have not put a perm in their hair past the usual 6 weeks.
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You know what I mean?!!!
 
<font color="brown">Henrilou,

You are right - - she is NOT your mother. She is someone who is simply providing a service to you. I just don't believe in paying someone to insult or belittle me - - and just the stress of having to ponder about going would be enough for me to cancel the appointment without a second thought.

If you want to test the waters, you should go to the appointment with the intention of making sure that she knows "who is boss", so to speak. Be adamant about the fact that you just had a substantial trim and that you will not be paying for another trim at this time. Tell her what you DO want her to do and make a plan before she even touches your hair. Be respectful, but also let her know (through your confident assertiveness and insistence) that she needs to respect YOU.

Her response at that point will give you a good idea of whether you want to proceed. Even if you do have to walk out without getting it done, at least you know that you stood up for yourself.
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I'm so sorry girl. She obviously does not know how to work with natural hair and I bet alot of stylists don't. But instead of admitting that, she took you through all the drama.

My cousin is natural and she gets gorgeous roller-sets from her stylist all the time. So YES natural hair can be roller set.
 
Do you want me to go yank this woman?? Huh?! Cause I will yank her a$$! I cant believe this! You are nicer than me because I am angry for you. I would have walked out with a twisty wet head because this is RIDICULOUS!
 
if you go to nappturality.com there is a naturla hair salon forum, their migh tbe a natural ahir salon in your area that can care for you hair. Benefit: advoiding you recent experience again and again
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I have had problems like this in Houston. There really is a lack of patience and knowledge about natural hair in my city. I have gone to some places, that say they do natural hair, then they suggest I make it manageable with a texturizer while I keep it natural. Right, hello, texturizers are not natural. It's like they assume i don't know anything about my hair. It seems stylists like the one you described, want to make your hair easier for them, and not what is best for you or what you desire. I have realized, until I can find some one to listen to me, I must do my own. Hope you have better experiences next time.

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Kasey, I'm sorry that you had such a bad experience. Girl, you need to kick that stylist to the curb and find a new one who's more receptive to YOUR wants and needs. After all, it's only your hair!! For some reason, stylists seem to forget this. That's why I love Supergirl's signature about avoiding scissor-happy stylists, because it's so true.
 
Thanks Caralexis...

but a beat down isn't necessary at this time. (Though I may need to ask for your services some other time.)
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As a long-time natural head I am somewhat used to the abuse.

I do like going to mainstream stylists for trims because with the blowdrying and curling it is the only time I get a relaxer-straight look. Natural salons are good, I have visited them, but I can do twists and such on my own. (Some places charge $70-$80 for twisting your hair.)

All in all, I give the experience a B-. I am not sure they realized how rude their comments were. They just were not well-versed on how to straight style natural hair. It is sad that they don't know the techniques and give off these negative vibes.

One other time I went to a salon with my hair pre-shampooed, conditioned, and airdrying in braids. I just had the stylist blowdry and curl with a hot iron. But when I got to the cashier to pay I found out that she told them to charge me $50--the fee for a press and curl. I was like
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I really don't want a trim" She was like, "Well, we'll see.

Umm Excuse Me Ladies, but whose paying who? And who needs whose service? I get really angry when I hear things like this because in my teens (well Im still 19, but u know what I mean) I had a couple bad experiences for my reluctance to speak out. Customers always have the upper hand and if a stylist does not want to give me what I asked for, then she obviously does not want my service.
One of my very good friends has natural hair (very kinky, curly hair) and she gets beautiful roller sets everytime she goes to the Dominican salons. You sat there and let her rake, ravage, n burn your hair, Salvage all the efforts youve put into it since visiting LHCF? Im sorry and I hope you do not get offended but umm "Where was your backbone?"
 
NO, Foxy. I wrote it wrong, or you didn't read it right. I went to interview the stylist this morning and we were TALKING about my hair the services that I needed. I said I just had a trim, I didn't want another and she was like, 'well, we'll see.' Which totally turned me off. I made an appt. but I will be calling to cancel it. I promice, I would never let anyone wreck my hair. It one of the only things I own OUT-RIGHT.
 
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Well I get there and take down my bun and immediately the stylist is like--you need reconstruction--as if my hair was totally falling out with every step.

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You have the patience of a saint. As soon as they started acting 'funny', I would have been like:
"See ya!"
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I can't stand going to salons. They pretend like they know what they're doing and they don't know JACK.
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Three years ago I had the most embarrasing haircut experience ever.

The stylist decided to cut my hair dry. After combing my hair it was ofcourse turned into a big loopsided afro and I'm sure I lost loads of hair and probably earned a couple of splits. She then started to draw the other stylists attention to my hair, amazed at my upto 50 % shrinkage. 'Look at this hair.Look! Look!' Strecthing my hair and then letting it go.
At the end I was surrounded by FOUR stylists.

One stylist said: Why don't you get a perm. You have such beautiful curls underneath.

(After combing my hair DRY?! I was amazed there was a single curl left!)

Another stylist in shock: Do you wear THAT hair down??!!!

(Again combing curly hair! Thankfully a male stylist said: 'well you probably don't abuse it like this normally'.)

A third stylist said she had a biracial customer 'who gets sooooo pretty curls when they used product x'.
So they wetted my hair (No shampoo, no conditioner, no combing) which then got semi-wet and frizzy, put on product X and put me under a dryer.

Not hard to guess the result: Frizzy, tangled, greasy hair.

I immediately put it up in a (ofcourse very frizzy) ponytail to which the original stylist said: 'yes it is quite windy today'... ummm yes that's the reason.

Ofcourse I never went back.
 
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You sat there and let her rake, ravage, n burn your hair, Salvage all the efforts youve put into it since visiting LHCF? Im sorry and I hope you do not get offended but umm "Where was your backbone?"

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Hi Foxycus02,

Thanks for your concern, but she didn't rake, ravage or burn my hair.

As I mentioned in the earlier post. I did like the reconstructor treatment that was used. Normally, I don't lose much hair in the shower, but since the treatment, I have had hardly any lost hair.

The service they gave was good. They were very attentive and concerned about protecting my hair from the heat styling. I didn't have a problem with them using a pressing comb. The thing that I was trying to stress were the series of negative, slightly rude comments that were being made about styling natural hair. I surmised these comments to be due to ignorance about dealing with natural hair. I have worn my hair natural basically forever. I have run into many people who do not understand natural hair. If I got mad at each and every one of them I would be one angry person.

I am pleased with the trim. I had planned to gradually trim away my old hair as the new hair grew in. The stylist stopped trimming when I asked her to. The stylist wasn't trying to jack up my hair. She wanted to keep trimming to even it up because she is used to styling straight hair. She didn't quite understand that I normally wear my hair curly, and that natural curls do not necessarily require hair to be even all over. After I explained to her the nature of my problem area. (traction alopecia due to braids) she understood what I was trying to do. (Also, as a side note there is a difference in my old hair and the hair that has grown since I started eating better foods. This change in diet coincided with the beginnings of my online search for hair care info. Also, I have been considering getting another couple of inches taken off at the end of Aug.)

Don't worry, I do have backbone. Sometimes you think people should know better, but they really don't know better. I have learned that you have to be patient with people. Instead of starting a fight or walking out, sometimes the best thing to do is look at the challenge as an opportunity to teach others others your point of view, and to understand theirs.

Thanks again for your concern. And I hope that you understand my point of view.

--kc

P.S. If they had started talking about putting a texturizer in my hair, that would have been the time flex some muscle, and call Caralexis for back up!
 
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I can't stand going to salons. They pretend like they know what they're doing and they don't know JACK.
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[/ QUOTE ] Ditto! I'm not natural but I have always had 4a/b fine/thin hair strands both when natural and now relaxed and the stylists would use their supposed expertise to wickedly trim away my lengths. Prior to joining this board, I thought my hair never grew not knowing that those hair stylists were doing me in and getting paid for the disservice. I take care of every aspect of my hair care now
 
As Soon as the 2nd insult of your hair was made I would have left. In a way you might be right, some will destory your hair so you can keep running back to them. But i do hope your hair came out good anyway
 
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