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Motions show..do they know what they're doing?

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katie

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Motions show..do they know what they\'re doing?

The following are exerpts from a newspaper about a Motions hair show that took place recently.Some of their techniques sound highly suspect to me.
" For instance, in the first of a series of demonstrations using live models, Motions technical educator Vikki Bush explained you should start relaxing from the back of the head and move forward. Apply from mid-shaft to the ends then go nearer to the scalp, keeping the relaxer one- 16th of an inch away. Vikki demonstrated on "virgin" hair, while colleague Kym Smith (They're both from Houston, Texas) did a "re-touch". "


Another excerpt
"Rinse out the relaxer, condition the hair, then use a neutralising shampoo to bring the PH level down and close the hair cuticle, which had been opened by the relaxer.
Later in the event some in the audience questioned this sequence -condition/neutralise-but Smith explained that for the conditioner to really be effective it has to be applied when the cuticle was open. If you condition after you neutralise, Smith said, you're adding a bit more shine but you're not adding any moisture. It's even safe, Smith said, to add a semi-permanent colour before you neutralise. Highlights and permanent colour, however, should only be put in seven to 14 days after relaxing.
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Here's another.
"There was a little conflict with members of the audience over the use of the circular steel stove iron and the ceramic chi flat iron.

"Bush said she finds she has more control over temperature with the stove iron. The chi iron permeates heat on both the top and bottom of the lock of hair. If a client has thin hair it could burn.
"


What do you guys think of this information given out by Motions professionals?Some of it sounds really weird to me.That would be awful if hairdressers who attended this seminar ended up messing up their client's hair.
 
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I agree with the information about conditioning then neutralizing. That's what I do when I relax my hair. I apply the relaxer, rinse, apply conditioner, rinse, neutralize with the neutralizing shampoo, rinse, and condition again. Other brands of relaxers recommend this too.
 
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Wow.I never heard of that before.Has anyone else ever done that too?
 
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It all depends on the relaxer you buy, some systems have a conditioning step between relaxing and neautralizing.

Her technique for relaxing virgin hair didn't seem too odd, but I always though the ends of hair were more porous and should be done last?? I'm not a pro, o not sure about that one.

I can also agree with her on the iron issue, back in the day whn I used stove irons (my grandma was a beautician), I felt I had more contol over the temperature with a stove iron than a electric one.
 
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I see no problem with the info. I personally don't do that method
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but it does make sense to condition while the cuticles are open.
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regarding the conditioning bf neutralizing: some companies (like motions or optimum care) have a neutralizing conditioner so the shampoo is just used to wash out the excess and (with color alert shampoo) to check if everything is out. to me it makes sense to use a conditioner because it is more gentle when it is in hair for ten or fifteen min. also i think strengthening stuff like protein can penetrate deeper because the shaft is open
 
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I usually put conditioner in my hair right after the relaxer the I shampoo. I think my hair feels so much better.
 
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As far as applying the relaxer to the ends last, I heard that the relaxer takes faster at the roots because of your body heat.
 
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Hmmm...I see nothing wrong with the info. they presented.
 
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I've conditioned and permed that way for years, I do my mom's hair that way also. NO problems whatsoever.
 
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What made me think something was wrong with the first paragraph was they said they did a retouch and it seemed they relaxed the whole head.It seemed the virgin head and the retouch got the same treatment.

I had never heard of that conditioning before neutralizing thing.To the ladies who do it,do you condition again after neutralizing?

And I had also heard that stove irons are a lot more damaging than ceramic.I thought ceramics were the best for hair.
 
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Katie, I haven't had a relaxer for three years, but when I did my stylist would condition first, shampoo, then condition again. I usually went under the dryer with the 2nd conditioner.
 
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Katie,

There are certain relaxer systems that call for the conditioning before the neutralizer (Motions & Affirm are the 2 that come to mine) but if a relaxer doesn't explicitly call for that, then I would follow the directions of that relaxer system.

I believe that conditioning again is optional.
 
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You know, that makes a lot of sense when I think about it!



Yup, I always deep condition after I shampoo as well, it can only help after the stress of relaxing. I look at the first conditioner application as a pre-shampoo tretment, usually you keep it in for 3-5 minutes only (not too long or with heat, just in case all of the relaxer isn't rinsed out of your hair).
 
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Hmm. Next time I relax, I will try conditioning before neutralizing. Never done that before.
 
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Hmm. Next time I relax, I will try conditioning before neutralizing. Never done that before.

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Hey HLD
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Just FYI, I've heard that you shouldn't try this unless your relaxer system specifically calls for this. Otherwise, you could really jack up your hair.
 
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I'm not sure if what I posted earlier was clear so here's sort of what I was trying to say:
Be sure to apply the perm starting one-eighth of an inch from the scalp down to the ends of the hair. The solution is activated by your body heat, so the hair closest to the scalp will straighten fastest. (http://www.niaonline.com)
 
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