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Ha!! Something opened through my eyes like scales falling off...literally...He is the Sabbath...we rest in Him. I never ever saw it this way before.
Ha!! Something opened through my eyes like scales falling off...literally...He is the Sabbath...we rest in Him. I never ever saw it this way before.
Hebrews 3-4
It was given posts ago...evidence that they worshipped on Sunday...might wanna research a bit. But hey, you do that which edifies YOU. Don't cater your life to what other's want for you spiritually...I thought that was the point of this thread.
It is very interesting that Hebrews 4 can be purported to mean that rest is in Jesus, so that Sabbath-keeping may be abandoned. Those verses confirm the necessity to keep the Sabbath.
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I believe that we all agree that early Christians worshiped on Sunday. They also worshiped during the week. People are definitely free to worship God any day - and should worship every day.
The Sabbath, however, is not only about worship. The Scriptures states that you can only the 7th day is to be kept holy.
There is a difference between keeping a day holy and simply worshiping.
That's not what I am saying. I'm studying into it right now with someone who can give me an hebraic understanding of that passage. Of course, that's part of it...but there's more to it. I'm more interested in the spirit of the Sabbath, not in the actual day of it. Like I mentioned before, non-Jews are not held to observe Saturday observance. That is for Jews. But man is called to honor Sabbath rest in G-d period....we're all clamoring to ascertain which day lol.
Evidently, some of us here have not gotten the memo. I still encourage us to read all the scriptures that have been sent in by several posts. BTW, worship of G-d also means sitting down and doing nothing...it's the intent. I'm remembering my Shabbat-keeping days.
The 7th day Sabbath is part of the Ten Commandments, not the ceremonial law.
Now dealing with what Sabbath keeping is really all about...
The Scriptures give guidelines to help us keep the Sabbath holy. In order to fully experience the Sabbath and dedicate the time to honor our Creator, we are instructed to put away our worldly cares. Therefore, in that way, that generally does involve not cooking beforehand and not working etc. That is why the Ten Commandments specifically instructs us not to work. If you are consumed with worldly cares, your mind cannot truly be on the Creator. God gives us 6 days to do everything else we need to do. How much is it to ask of us to dedicate the 7th day to Him alone? He is our Maker, our Provider and King.
Jesus taught us that it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath, and that legalism is unnecessary. So if you pick grapes for a starving person lying in the streets, that's in accordance with the Sabbath. That is different from just being too lazy to prepare a meal for yourself and family in preparation for the Sabbath. One is not legalistic by simply keeping the law, because we are suppose to keep the law out of our love of God.
John 14:15 - If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Legalism largely deals with the idea that keeping the law is what constitutes salvation. The Jews became so obsessed with the law, thinking that with all the rules - many of which are not Scriptural - would earn them the salvation.
Also, if Jesus was not concerned with both inward understanding of the Sabbath and outward expression of the inner condition, then why did Jesus always keep the Sabbath? He showed us how to keep the Sabbath both inwardly and outwardly. Why is it acceptable to throw away part of His example as unnecessary for us today?
He made a commandment to set aside a certain day to be still and pull away from the world. The Apostles obeyed it. Why shouldn't we?
Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Being deceived as a believer is a terrifying prospect; that they were not good enough to be a part of the "elect." I come before you as someone who has been deceived many times. Does that mean I am unworthy? No, it means that I refuse to remain in the deception God has revealed to me. As long as we are in this yucky flesh, we are subject to being tricked at all times. Dealing with deception is only a part of the "pruning" we receive to grow in the manner he wants us to.
He made a commandment to set aside a certain day to be still and pull away from the world. The Apostles obeyed it. Why shouldn't we?
Let's be vigilant and not say something just to justify our doctrine. King James translated it Jesus, but it's clear that it is not about Jesus : Jesus-Christ, but Jesus : Joshua who entered in the land of Canaan.It is very interesting that Hebrews 4 can be purported to mean that rest is in Jesus, so that Sabbath-keeping may be abandoned. Those verses confirm the necessity to keep the Sabbath.
Especially verses 8-10:
8For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
9There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
10For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
It couldn't be more clear and straightforward. It clearly states that Jesus did not give rest, and that there remains a rest for God's people. Those of us who enter that rest stop our own work, just like God did.
What did God do? He worked 6 days and rested on the 7th day. Verse 11 then states:
Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
Let's be vigilant and not say something just to justify our doctrine. King James translated it Jesus, but it's clear that it is not about Jesus : Jesus-Christ, but Jesus : Joshua who entered in the land of Canaan.
Heb. 3.15 While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation. 3.16 For some, when they had heard, did provoke: howbeit not all that came out of Egypt by Moses. 3.17 But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness? 3.18 And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not? 3.19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.
New KJV version :
8 For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 There remains therefore a rest for the people of God. 10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.
And it's today, dear Nymphe. Chapters 3 and 4 of Hebrews are great to study. Not one or two isolated verses, but the whole chapters with the guidance of the Holy Spirit.
Heb. 4.7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
With Jesus-Christ, a day has nothing in common with the priesthood.
1Cor. 3.16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? 3.17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
1Cor. 6.17 6.17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit. 6.19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 6.20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
1Pet. 2.5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
2.9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;
Heb. 13.15 By him therefore let us offer the sacrifice of praise to God continually, that is, the fruit of our lips giving thanks to his name.
Eph. 2.21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: 2.22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
I agree. The seventh day Sabbath is consistent with the entire Scriptures. Hebrews 4 is consistent with every other Scripture concerning the Sabbath. Amazing that the New King James Version changed verse 8 from Jesus to Joshua! Wow!
Hebrews 4- KJV
1Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
2For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
3For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
4For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
5And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
6Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
7Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
8For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
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I'm not understanding about verse 8. Joshua means "G-d will save" whereas Yeshua means "G-d is salvation." They are two different names and meanings.
They both have the same meaning, Sweetie. Those two sames are one in the same. :Rose:The KJV says Jesus and the NKJV says Joshua. Why did the NKJV feel the need to change it I wonder? Hmmmmm....
The KJV says Jesus and the NKJV says Joshua. Why did the NKJV feel the need to change it I wonder? Hmmmmm....
They both have the same meaning, Sweetie. Those two sames are one in the same. :Rose:
It is very interesting that Hebrews 4 can be purported to mean that rest is in Jesus, so that Sabbath-keeping may be abandoned. Those verses confirm the necessity to keep the Sabbath.
Especially verses 8-10:
8For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
9There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
10For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
It couldn't be more clear and straightforward. It clearly states that Jesus did not give rest, and that there remains a rest for God's people. Those of us who enter that rest stop our own work, just like God did.
What did God do? He worked 6 days and rested on the 7th day. Verse 11 then states:
Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
To be honest, I find the implication that non-Saturday observers have some kind of agenda to get rid of the Sabbath to be rather odd. Biblical translators are not sitting around trying to figure out ways of eliminating the Sabbath from the Bible. In the grand scheme of the Christian life, resting on Saturday would hardly be the challenging part.
I think a lot of people (including the devil!) would sooner change the Bible's meaning to allow for fornication, adultery, and homosexuality before changing it to mean that we don't have to rest on Saturday. Again, we're all seeking to be obedient to God here.
Also, from today's viewpoint, keeping Sabbath on Saturday (or keeping it in traditonal ways at all) looks like a desire to be more faithful to the radical call of the law. But when the Hebrews heard these messages, the idea of traditional observance no longer being in effect was radical to them. The idea that so much of how they observed the law and related themselves to God was radically changed by Jesus Christ was a stumbling block for some. They had difficulty accepting Christ as the fulfillment of the law. So we shouldn't feel a need to bring back Sabbath/Saturday observance as a way of being faithful to the law. If we get stuck on that point, we're doing the same thing that that Hebrews did when the Gospel was first preached to them.