Doesn't Make Sense

[Junebug D]

So what does it mean if you've been deep conditioning weekly for the last 6 months, moisturizing pretty much daily, not using heat, using a shower filter, transitioning to an all-natural sulfate-free shampoo for 2 weeks... yet your hair is even more dry than it was 6 months ago when you had no shower filter, never deep conditioned, and used whatever shampoo was on sale?

P.S. I checked my porosity, my strand floats at least 15 minutes.

 

[Adaoba2012]

I wish I could help you...
Are you relaxed or natural?
What is your full regimen? Do you prepoo?
Hopefully other ladies who have been on here longer than me can chime in...

 

[BroadstreetBully]

Hopefully someone can chime in as I'm not sure, do you think it could be the Shan Haute Oil Treatment?

 

[silenttullip]

It means you probably need a good leave in conditioner and a spritz bottle of destilled water, coconut oil or shea butter and some type of strengthener or vegi glycerin to mist your hair every so often maybe even oyin handmade juices and berries spray. Sulfate free shampoos are great BUT they strip the heck out of our hair so we need to do more than before to moisturize. If possible try rinsing your hair with just water every other too... I've done that since I've been in Houston and it helped my scalp and hair from being so dry.

Hope I helped and for products try Aubrey-Organics.com or Jane Carter Leave In or Giovanni Leave In.

 

[soulie]

What products are you using? You could be doing all the right actions, but if you aren't using the right products for YOUR hair, it negates the value of the actions.

 

[Anonymous1]

maybe you need to use a chelating shampoo to really deep clean your hair first. If you've had hard water, you may want to chelate your hair and then deep condition. This is what i had to do because our water here sucks. I used a chelating shampoo by Redken but I'm sure there are other brands out there.

 

[silenttullip]

If you're not natural try Parnevu Tea Tree Leave In Moisturizer it works for my mom. Or try infusium 23 Leave In and then PCJ Moisturizer I know it's a kiddie moisturizer but before I went natural I used it as an adult and it kept the dryness and breakage away. The before post I made was if you were natural but those products still help. You can check utube or something for reviews before purchase

 

[silenttullip]

maybe you need to use a chelating shampoo to really deep clean your hair first. If you've had hard water, you may want to chelate your hair and then deep condition. This is what i had to do because our water here sucks. I used a chelating shampoo by Redken but I'm sure there are other brands out there.

what's chelating?

 

[Junebug D]

Hopefully someone can chime in as I'm not sure, do you think it could be the Shan Haute Oil Treatment?

Of course not.

I am natural, 4b, I have low porosity.

I tried pre-poo for a while, but it wasn't making much of a difference, to be honest. I shampoo 2x a week (unresolved scalp issues), I deep condition weekly. I use the Giovanni Direct leave-in and seal with almond oil. If I twist my hair, I use shea butter and coconut oil. I wear my satin bonnet or scarf at night.

Still trying to get a regimen of products to use, to be honest, none seem that effective at preventing my hair from drying out 24 hours later, or curing my scalp issues. I was using Nizoral through April & May hoping to cure my scalp issues (did not work). Since then I've been using only natural products-- using the JASON Sea Kelp shampoo and AOHSR, Giovanni Direct leave-in, and moisturizing with water and shea butter, sealing with almond oil. Neither seems to be effective at anything so far, but I will stick with it for 2 months and hope my hair doesn't end up even more brittle.

Conditioners all seem the same to me (besides the few that don't do anything at all)-- they keep my hair moisturized for approximately a day or two, and then it dries out completely, despite sealing and moisturizing daily. My hair stays nice 1-2 days after conditioning, and then it's all downhill from there. I feel if you have to deep condition every day, then you still have a problem with dry hair.

I just don't know what to do about this anymore. It's kind of ridiculous. I think with deep conditioning, filtered water, decent hair habits, better eating, and vitamins, my hair shouldn't be in WORSE shape than it was before I started all of this.

 

[winnettag]

You're definitely using good products and have a good regi.
If your hair stays moisturized for a day or two after conditioning, are you able to throw in co-washing every couple days, in between the days you already shampoo?

 

[quasimodi]

How is your water intake? I noticed that when I seriously increased the amount of H2O, I consumed, then my hair gradually became softer and was able to stay moisturized longer. I also take flaxseed oil.

 

[Junebug D]

maybe you need to use a chelating shampoo to really deep clean your hair first. If you've had hard water, you may want to chelate your hair and then deep condition. This is what i had to do because our water here sucks. I used a chelating shampoo by Redken but I'm sure there are other brands out there.

I chelate every month.

You're definitely using good products and have a good regi.
If your hair stays moisturized for a day or two after conditioning, are you able to throw in co-washing every couple days, in between the days you already shampoo?

I would like to, but that brings me to my other problems: tangling, protective styling, and frizz. If I twist my hair it takes at least 2 hours and I would like to keep them in for a whole week. But when I wet them they turn horribly frizzy and a lot unravel, and then my hair ends up badly tangled. If I were to co-wash, that would pretty much mean I can't protective style. (I don't know how to braid, or know if they would be any different than twists.)

 

[*fabulosity*]

Hopefully someone can chime in as I'm not sure, do you think it could be the Shan Haute Oil Treatment?

We got some comedians in here for real...

Sorry, OP.. I was going to ask if you were including omega fatty acids in your diet... a lot of what we eat reflects in our hair... Clarifying or chelating is also a good suggestion...

ETA: I would also recommend a spray moisturizer like Giovanni Vitapro Fusion or Oyin Juice and Berries..

 

[Junebug D]

How is your water intake? I noticed that when I seriously increased the amount of H2O, I consumed, then my hair gradually became softer and was able to stay moisturized longer. I also take flaxseed oil.

I've been upping it on & off through the last 6 months. I do drink more water than I ever have in the past, however. I know that is something I can definitely work on though. Also I do need to resume taking my flaxseed oil, especially since I'm allergic to fish. That is something I slacked on after a while.

 

[Qualitee]

I chelate every month.



I would like to, but that brings me to my other problems: tangling, protective styling, and frizz. If I twist my hair it takes at least 2 hours and I would like to keep them in for a whole week. But when I wet them they turn horribly frizzy and a lot unravel, and then my hair ends up badly tangled. If I were to co-wash, that would pretty much mean I can't protective style. (I don't know how to braid, or know if they would be any different than twists.)

what r you chelate with and what condtioner are you using?

 

[Junebug D]

what r you chelate with and what condtioner are you using?

I use Quantam for chelating, they sell it in Sally's. Now I am using Aubrey Organics Honeysuckle Rose as a conditioner; before that I was using the Aubrey O Island Naturals.

 

[Anonymous1]

what's chelating?

It's like a deep cleansing of the scalp. This type of shampoo get out hard water buildup and chemicals from medications and things out of your scalp. It penetrates deeper than a clarifying shampoo.

 

[Anonymous1]

I chelate every month.

That could be your problem then. Chelating shampoos are not suppose to be used that often. They are too stripping. If i were you, i would get a clarifying shampoo to use monthly instead of a chelating one.



I would like to, but that brings me to my other problems: tangling, protective styling, and frizz. If I twist my hair it takes at least 2 hours and I would like to keep them in for a whole week. But when I wet them they turn horribly frizzy and a lot unravel, and then my hair ends up badly tangled. If I were to co-wash, that would pretty much mean I can't protective style. (I don't know how to braid, or know if they would be any different than twists.)

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[SelahOco]

Has your hair always liked almond oil? It really dries my hair out and I find that jojoba or olive oil is a better sealer for me. HTH.

 

[Qualitee]

I use Quantam for chelating, they sell it in Sally's. Now I am using Aubrey Organics Honeysuckle Rose as a conditioner; before that I was using the Aubrey O Island Naturals.

maybe chelating is drying out your scalp

 

[Junebug D]

That could be your problem then. Chelating shampoos are not suppose to be used that often. They are too stripping. If i were you, i would get a clarifying shampoo to use monthly instead of a chelating one.

maybe chelating is drying out your scalp

That's possible. I'll stop chelating so often.

Has your hair always liked almond oil? It really dries my hair out and I find that jojoba or olive oil is a better sealer for me. HTH.

I don't think my hair likes ANY oil. Almond oil absorbs better than the others I've tried and my hair feels soft right after I use it. That's pretty much the only reason I prefer it. Coconut oil seems ok though I don't use it too often. Grapeseed oil is ok also. I don't like Jojoba, castor, or olive oil too much, they feel so heavy and sticky on my hair.

 

[newflowers]

The unresolved scalp issues need to be resolved before you're going to see a more long term definitive improvement in your hair. Whatever is happening on the scalp will absolutely impact the hair. Have you tried emu oil on your scalp?

Some all natural products can be drying - but it seems like you're experimenting with that. Until you resolve your scalp issues, a spritz on your hair as recommended is a good idea. Have you tried other oils - I cannot use coconut, grapeseed, avocado, or olive on a daily basis, but I've found great success with camellia oil - it's very light, non-greasy, absorbs well, and makes me and my hair very happy.

 

[Kirei]

Of course not.

I am natural, 4b, I have low porosity.

I tried pre-poo for a while, but it wasn't making much of a difference, to be honest. I shampoo 2x a week (unresolved scalp issues), I deep condition weekly. I use the Giovanni Direct leave-in and seal with almond oil. If I twist my hair, I use shea butter and coconut oil. I wear my satin bonnet or scarf at night.

Still trying to get a regimen of products to use, to be honest, none seem that effective at preventing my hair from drying out 24 hours later, or curing my scalp issues. I was using Nizoral through April & May hoping to cure my scalp issues (did not work). Since then I've been using only natural products-- using the JASON Sea Kelp shampoo and AOHSR, Giovanni Direct leave-in, and moisturizing with water and shea butter, sealing with almond oil. Neither seems to be effective at anything so far, but I will stick with it for 2 months and hope my hair doesn't end up even more brittle.

Conditioners all seem the same to me (besides the few that don't do anything at all)-- they keep my hair moisturized for approximately a day or two, and then it dries out completely, despite sealing and moisturizing daily. My hair stays nice 1-2 days after conditioning, and then it's all downhill from there. I feel if you have to deep condition every day, then you still have a problem with dry hair.

I just don't know what to do about this anymore. It's kind of ridiculous. I think with deep conditioning, filtered water, decent hair habits, better eating, and vitamins, my hair shouldn't be in WORSE shape than it was before I started all of this.

Hormones dude hormones!

This sounds like how my hair was when I was pregnant and it just got over itself 3 months postpartum! It was soo dry and ashy, I was too through with it! I would drench my hair in condish and it would just feel like dry hair with something slimy on top.

The only thing that worked, for me was to ride it out. I am natural (don't know the type) with SL/CLB hair stretched.

 

[HeShotMeBangBang]

So what does it mean if you've been deep conditioning weekly for the last 6 months, moisturizing pretty much daily, not using heat, using a shower filter, transitioning to an all-natural sulfate-free shampoo for 2 weeks... yet your hair is even more dry than it was 6 months ago when you had no shower filter, never deep conditioned, and used whatever shampoo was on sale?

P.S. I checked my porosity, my strand floats at least 15 minutes.

hmm i wonder if this has anything to do with cones.......

 

[Junebug D]

The unresolved scalp issues need to be resolved before you're going to see a more long term definitive improvement in your hair. Whatever is happening on the scalp will absolutely impact the hair. Have you tried emu oil on your scalp?

Some all natural products can be drying - but it seems like you're experimenting with that. Until you resolve your scalp issues, a spritz on your hair as recommended is a good idea. Have you tried other oils - I cannot use coconut, grapeseed, avocado, or olive on a daily basis, but I've found great success with camellia oil - it's very light, non-greasy, absorbs well, and makes me and my hair very happy.

Yeah, that's what I'm afraid of. I don't know what else I can do for it though. I am going to try to see a dermatologist and try Lisa Akbari's shampooing method in hopes that it is negative buildup. Head & Shoulders didn't work, tea tree oil doesn't work, no-poo didn't help, salicylic acid products weren't effective, and Nizoral didn't help.

Hormones dude hormones!

This sounds like how my hair was when I was pregnant and it just got over itself 3 months postpartum! It was soo dry and ashy, I was too through with it! I would drench my hair in condish and it would just feel like dry hair with something slimy on top.

The only thing that worked, for me was to ride it out. I am natural (don't know the type) with SL/CLB hair stretched.

I'm glad you made it through. I don't think I have a hormone problem though. Not pregnant, not on birth control, or anything.

hmm i wonder if this has anything to do with cones.......

I was hoping that was the problem too. I am giving this cone-free regimen a fair chance to work though. Just doesn't seem to be helping so far.

 

[Esq.2B]

Maybe the Nizoral shampoo you were using in April and May dried your hair out?


Also have you tried switching conditioners? Perhaps that conditioner doesn't agree with your hair.

 

[Esq.2B]

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Hi Markm

How are you using the cream? I assume you're rubbing it on your head, but how much, how often and how long are you leaving it in?

I hadn't heard of nizoral cream until I read this post, but now I'm surprised more people aren't using it. As it contains ketoconazole it should be effective shouldn't it?

I've found nizoral shampoo to be good but it really leaves my hair very dry, even with the use of conditioner. I think I might give it a go.

http://www.hairsite.com/late-scalpinflammation.htm

Nizoral Conditioning Shampoo
Many people complain that while Nizoral shampoo works for them, it also makes their hair and scalp dry. In fact, even people who have oily hair and scalp, including myself, complain that Nizoral is too drying for the hair. Good news: Nizoral Conditioning Shampoo is now available. However, it is not widely available in every country at this point (not even in the U.S - to my knowledge) and your best bet is to shop for it on the internet. This is a great shampoo, it works just as well as regular Nizoral shampoo, has the same active ingredient - 2% ketoconazole and does not leave your hair and scalp dry. This one is now on my favorite list. It is slightly more expensive than regular Nizoral shampoo.

 

[gymfreak336]

The Lisa method will help you. I was using all kinds of products before I tried her method and it made a difference in just two washes. Listen to her and give it some time but her methods will turn around a damaged scalp.

 

[Junebug D]

Maybe the Nizoral shampoo you were using in April and May dried your hair out?


Also have you tried switching conditioners? Perhaps that conditioner doesn't agree with your hair.

I'm sure the Nizoral didn't help any, but I was having the dryness problem long before I used Nizoral. That's probably why it looked so much worse this particular time though.

I've been through many conditioners, none have been particularly effective. From $20 Joico conditioners to $11 Aubrey Organics conditioners to $2 Suave conditioners.

The Lisa method will help you. I was using all kinds of products before I tried her method and it made a difference in just two washes. Listen to her and give it some time but her methods will turn around a damaged scalp.

I hope so. Because I can't even tell what the problem is anymore. It fits the description of dandruff, dry scalp, oily scalp, AND buildup.

 

[Your Cheeziness]

I am not sure, but I don't think hair is supposed to float for 15 minutes. That's a long time to say the hair didn't absorb any water at any point. That would say to me your hair isn't absorbing the moisture from your products/regimen.