Hesh Pharma is So Wrong...

[illuminatiamerica]

CBC News - Health - Hesh Pharma products pulled for bacteria

Sort of an old story, but it states that the powders were contaminated and sent to the "ethnic" stores.

Why do you think they were sent to the "ethnic" stores?



Black people usually make a significant impact on the world when they embark on anything in great numbers. Surely, the go natural craze among black women has inspired thousands and caught the attention of millions.

I guess this was some kind of joke on us since we want to use their products to get waistlength hair.

 

[illuminatiamerica]

contaminated with animal poop
thats a shame

 

[motherpopcorn562]

wow.Maybe they meant Indian ethnic?

 

[illuminatiamerica]

no i dont know
but they know better than to do it in america
imagine black women getting ayurvedic hair powders with animal poop in it
that story would have made worldwide news

 

[Kurlee]

wow. animal poop. i'm throwing all my hesh out

 

[tHENATuRALhAiRpRoJEcT]

CBC News - Health - Hesh Pharma products pulled for bacteria

Sort of an old story, but it states that the powders were contaminated and sent to the "ethnic" stores.

Why do you think they were sent to the "ethnic" stores?



Black people usually make a significant impact on the world when they embark on anything in great numbers. Surely, the go natural craze among black women has inspired thousands and caught the attention of millions.

I guess this was some kind of joke on us since we want to use their products to get waistlength hair.

INDIAN STORES....where we waltz our dopey arses in their to buy them

 

[TamedTresses]

INDIAN STORES....where we waltz our dopey arses in their to buy them

CORRECTION: Where YOU waltz your dopey arse in there to buy them.

Just kidding, hun.

 

[illuminatiamerica]

you ladies better start recognizing the power of us sitting on these boards ranting about what we're using and what's growing our hair

 

[illuminatiamerica]

wow. animal poop. i'm throwing all my hesh out

thats right and ayurnaturals has stopped selling hesh

they know better than to have done that mess in some american "ethnic" stores
dont be surprised if they start selling ayur powders in your local asian bss

when i go to target, and the local bss now all i can think of is lhcf and bhm and the power that black people have to make stuff popular

mostly all your favs that you rave about on these hairboards are in Target now

imagine that

 

[pookaloo83]

CORRECTION: Where YOU waltz your dopey arse in there to buy them.

Just kidding, hun.

 

[TamedTresses]

I was just teasing...theHairlab knows she is my girl.

 

[10WordzOrLess]

In my lifetime, I've heard of tomatoes, peanut butter, and eggs being recalled for various reasons...Don't think it was about targeting a specific group of people. I think it's more about the workers and inspectors responsible for the products, not having hygienic standards, or neglecting to enforce them during production and transportation. That kind of stuff happens, all the time all over the world.

 

[Theresamonet]

Ethnic does not automatically = African American/black.

I'm sure it's only a VERY small minority of black women using Hesh/ayurvedic hair products. Hesh is wrong for putting out contaminated product, but I don't think it was part of some conspiracy against black women.

 

[My Friend]

you ladies better start recognizing the power of us sitting on these boards ranting about what we're using and what's growing our hair

Black hair care has made a lot of non black people rich for many years.

If I worked in the r and d for hare care companies, skin care and/ or beauty, I would read blogs and .com sites all day. I would them run "my great idea" by my boss or start my own company. Sound familiar?

 

[illuminatiamerica]

Ethnic does not automatically = African American/black.

I'm sure it's only a VERY small minority of black women using Hesh/ayurvedic hair products. Hesh is wrong for putting out contaminated product, but I don't think it was part of some conspiracy against black women.

i dont know if it was a conspiracy and that remains to be seen

you dont think alot of black women are using ayur products???
are u serious?

i always imagine market researchers reading everything we talk about
its not a coincidence that Target is selling all your lhcf bhm youtube fav "natural" hair products now

i dont trust hesh anymore

question, does fnwl get their powders from india? if so i dont want them either

 

[Theresamonet]

i dont know if it was a conspiracy and that remains to be seen

you dont think alot of black women are using ayur products???
are u serious?

i always imagine market researchers reading everything we talk about
its not a coincidence that Target is selling all your lhcf bhm youtube fav "natural" hair products now

i dont trust hesh anymore

question, does fnwl get their powders from india? if so i dont want them either

I'm dead serious.

I didn't say black, I said African American/black (there is a difference). And I didn't say there weren't alot, I said I believe the numbers were minor in comparison to how AA population. Seriously, how many "around the way" AA women do you think/know are frequenting the local Indian Bazaar buying up all the Brahmi powder for their hair?

How about this...I think there are more Indian women buying these products than "us". So why would Hesh "poop up" the heads of their own women just to get the few (in comparison) of AA women who are using the products. I think Hesh was being triflin, but I don't think they had a "target" in mind.

 

[mzsophisticated26]

Awww man I just brought some Hesh brand brahmi from a local indian store today.. Welp in the trash it goes and I was just about to go back and buy the Hesh amla powder

 

[illuminatiamerica]

I'm dead serious.

I didn't say black, I said African American/black (there is a difference). And I didn't say there weren't alot, I said I believe the numbers were minor in comparison to how AA population. Seriously, how many "around the way" AA women do you think/know are frequenting the local Indian Bazaar buying up all the Brahmi powder for their hair?

How about this...I think there are more Indian women buying these products than "us". So why would Hesh "poop up" the heads of their own women just to get the few (in comparison) of AA women who are using the products. I think Hesh was being triflin, but I don't think they had a "target" in mind.

"around the way aa women"


wow... anyway many african women in america use ayur products
google can prove it
black women in america are still africans
our dna never changed

google ayurveda challenge, ayurveda haul, etc
and its mostly black women on the threads and videos

i didnt write the news article and say the hesh powder with animal feces was shipped ot ethnic stores in canada. it came from reuters

 

[mzteaze]

contaminated with animal poop
thats a shame

Where did you find information on the source of the contamination?

 

[Lovelylocs]

Poo in my no-poo?

 

[Theresamonet]

"around the way aa women"

What? Why are you shaking your head? Around the way/everday/real life/average...sorry, I didn't know these terms were--> inducing.

wow... anyway many african women in america use ayur products
google can prove it
black women in america are still africans
our dna never changed

Stop being dramatic. You know exactly what I mean. I'm not talking about DNA, I'm talking about culture and tradition. African and Middle Eastern women are more likely to be familiar/use Ayurvedic products than AA
women or the descendants of American colonial slaves.

google ayurveda challenge, ayurveda haul, etc
and its mostly black women on the threads and videos

Again, these are women who frequent hair forums and blogs. This is not something that the average women does.

i didnt write the news article and say the hesh powder with animal feces was shipped ot ethnic stores in canada. it came from reuters

This was the point of me even responding in the first place. You assumed that "ethnic" meant black when Indian/Middle Easterners are considered ethnic too. So they could have just sent them to the same Indian bazaars they would have if the products were perfectly fine. They were not targeting anyone in particular. Everything is not a plot to keep black women bald-headed.

 

[mzteaze]

Poo in my no-poo?

According to the information I could find, there was a voluntary recall for two of their powders by the Canada version of the FDA.

The reason for the recall of Hesh Shikakai powder was due to HIGH or unacceptible levels of two types of bacteria:

gram-negative bacteria Enterobacter cloacae and Kluyvera intermedia

Here is the link to the recall notice for the Hesh Shikakai Powder Consumer Product Recalls - Consumer Product Safety and the

Now, the report for the Hesh Aritha Powder - The Natural Shampoo for your Hair, has additional bacterias listed as HIGH or Unacceptable levels: Klebsiella pneumonia, Escherichia hermannii, Pantoea species, Enterobacter cloacae, and mold. This recall letter, specifically points out that Enterobacter cloacae is a coliform which typically comes from the feces on a warm-blooded animal.

Now, let me pause here and state that I have participated in many manufacturing investigations in the pharmaceutical and beauty industry. The most COMMON source of this is generally traced back to a person who uses the restroom but does not properly wash his or her hands. Second most common source are pet owners who again have contact with their pet's feces yet again don't properly wash or clean their hands BEFORE returning to work.

So, lets be clear, there were no feces in the products, simply the bacteria found commonly from contact with feces.

Read for yourself about the Hesh Aritha Powder Consumer Product Recalls - Consumer Product Safety

Please note, in BOTH recall letters are UPC codes for the affected lots. You can check those codes against your products at home.

 

[nzeee]

wow OP. it's great you brought this to everyone's attention (again; since it shouldn't be news to anyone who researches products before purchasing) but your conclusions are all wonky.

ease up on the conspiracy theory and be rational. exactly how many AA women do you think are being targetted by Hesh? vs Indian women i mean.

and also, do more research on fda and the sorts of things your government approves for public consumption/topical use vs the sorts of things canada approves. i'm certain the bad batches were limited to canada only . if you haven't heard it before, your government (as compared to canada and western europe) is pretty lax (to put it mildly) when it comes to public safety. and btw: having a more inflammatory press is indication of exactly nothing.

all: don't use hesh for now. their stuff is contaminated. that message may've been lost along the way.

ETA: thanks mzteaze for clarification on what the real issues are

 

[Aalize]

wow OP. it's great you brought this to everyone's attention (again; since it shouldn't be news to anyone who researches products before purchasing) but your conclusions are all wonky.

ease up on the conspiracy theory and be rational. exactly how many AA women do you think are being targetted by Hesh? vs Indian women i mean.

and also, do more research on fda and the sorts of things your government approves for public consumption/topical use vs the sorts of things canada approves. i'm certain the bad batches were limited to canada only . if you haven't heard it before, your government (as compared to canada and western europe) is pretty lax (to put it mildly) when it comes to public safety. and btw: having a more inflammatory press is indication of exactly nothing.

all: don't use hesh for now. their stuff is contaminated. that message may've been lost along the way.

ETA: thanks mzteaze for clarification on what the real issues are

I agree with your post, except for the bolded.

 

[tatiana]

Hesh biggest consumer is Indian woman not black woman.

I know quite a few Indian women that use henna and such on their hair.

Remember India has a population of 1 billion and then the Indians living in Europe, North America, Africa, West Indies, and Australia.

Hesh really does not need black woman's money to stay afloat.

 

[rririla]

I ''unknowingly'' bought a box of the contaminated powder in an Indian grocery store in New York, where Indian's, AA, Caucasian, Hispanic and any other variation of people shop........so it's NOT limited to certain areas, or a certain demographic....

 

[Mrs. Verde]

OP - I do think that your intentions were to inform us. However, you can find a C.O.N-spiracy in just about everything in this world. 1) You are very naive if you don't think that MOST things manufactured don't have some type of containment in them. A certain percentage is actually legally acceptable in most countries. The only thing that comes to mind is the manufacturing of computer chips. These rooms are completely clean. As far as I know, no food or hair items are manufactured this way. This is the nature of manufacturing.

2) Hesh is not a product marketed to black women. Have you ever seen Hesh marketed in a black hair care magazine. Just because women on this and other boards buy Hesh does not mean that the majority of black women use this product. Stop 10 random black women on the street and see how many of them know anything about Ayurvedics.

 

[wantsthecurlsback]

Primarily Indian woman have been using these products for centuries! I'm almost 100% sure by ethnic they meant South Asian/Middle Eastern women. Yes a lot of us have caught on to using these products to grow our hair long, but not by any means are we the #1 users, therefore I highly doubt this was targeting AA women.

 

[kaykaybobay]

Primarily Indian woman have been using these products for centuries! I'm almost 100% sure by ethnic they meant South Asian/Middle Eastern women. Yes a lot of us have caught on to using these products to grow our hair long, but not by any means are we the #1 users, therefore I highly doubt this was targeting AA women.

I would totally agree - many Indian friends had no clue I was using powders etc. They were very surprised. I think with the tainted products we have to understand standards acceptable in one place are not acceptable in other parts of the world. I wouldn't use old herbal products or tainted ones but I know a few who think it's fine but they are not from the states.

 

[JayAnn0513]

I would totally agree - many Indian friends had no clue I was using powders etc. They were very surprised. I think with the tainted products we have to understand standards acceptable in one place are not acceptable in other parts of the world. I wouldn't use old herbal products or tainted ones but I know a few who think it's fine but they are not from the states.

If you think about it - of course these products are not made to us/ can standards. We are talking about a place where running water is a luxury that most working class people do not have. Hand washing with anti-bac soap after going to the bathroom or handling animals?????? Not even on their radar. It is what it is. It's a chance you take when you use products not made in the US. Same goes for butters made in Africa.